Thx for the intersting data. I am sure that the winchester silvertipp is great load, but these stuff is very hard to get here in austria. The only street proven loads I can get here in austria are the 110 or 125 grain jhp. I would be no problem to get some 158 grain soft points from european companies like fiocchi or sellier and bellot, but I doubt that an 158 grain will expand much, so I'd rather stick to the 125 grain jhp rounds for sd. But I am sure that the s&b and fioochi 158 grain softpoints are decent hunting loads.