I recently bought two boxes, when I found them at a "reasonable" price, by today's standards. I have a speed strip full of them in my pocket now, backing up my Colt Magnum Carry backup gun. The ballistics are fairly close to Speer Short Barrel .357-135s, with a little less recoil. In my very limited testing, they expand and partially fragment in water, though not with any kind of classic mushroom like ine sees in Gold Dots. I was having chronograph trouble the day I tried to clock them, but the one round I was confident of clocked 899 fps. from my Magnum Carry, which is a "slow gun," even with a true 2" barrel. Erich tells me that 900 is consistent with what he's seen in 1 7/8" guns, with 4" barrels getting the advertised 950 or better.