Jerry Miculek "De-Locked" his competition revolver!!!

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I am a competition revolver shooter and have been for 20 years. I have shot matches in the same squad with Jerry. First, he prepares his own competition revos so S&W did NOT take the lock out for him! Second, all of us take the locks out of our competition guns (also the hammer block). It's a simple matter of eliminating as many things that could go wrong as possible.
 
As far as I know, ICORE and USPSA allow the removal of the lock. I was told that IDPA does not allow the removal, and I don't know what IPSC has to say about the lock. It would be interesting to see the 625 that he uses in IDPA.

Dave Sinko
 
S&WIowegan said:
I am a competition revolver shooter and have been for 20 years. I have shot matches in the same squad with Jerry. First, he prepares his own competition revos so S&W did NOT take the lock out for him! Second, all of us take the locks out of our competition guns (also the hammer block). It's a simple matter of eliminating as many things that could go wrong as possible.
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It's ok that the majority of shooters would remove the lock for those reasons, it makes perfect sense. But to have S&W's own champion revolver expert remove the lock speaks volumes as to his opinion of the lock and its chance for failure. That's a PR blunder for S&W.

And I've never shot with Jerry and am not disputing what you're saying about him working on his own guns. But I did see on Shooting USA an interview with the man in the Performance Center who does all of Jerry's trigger work on his competition guns. And I won't swear to it, but I'm pretty sure he said he goes over the whole revolver to get it the way Jerry likes it. Of course Jerry could always do more work to it once he gets it...
 
Not to be a wet blanket....Has anyone directly contacted Jerry himself to find out if what you are seeing is "what you are seeing"?

Just a thought. That should answer the question once and for all.

TLG
 
TLG said:
Not to be a wet blanket....Has anyone directly contacted Jerry himself to find out if what you are seeing is "what you are seeing"?

Just a thought. That should answer the question once and for all.

TLG
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I haven't contacted Jerry, but if you look at the picture from the bottom link, showing the gun from the rear, it is quite clear that at least the flag is removed. I've seen a clearer picture of the left side of the gun, and it appears that it has been fully de-locked, but it is not as obvious as the missing flag.

If a lock were going to spontaneously tie up a gun, I can think of none more likely than Jerry's. I've seen him shoot in person, and we've all seen the videos. And perhaps more importantly, he KNOWS how they work, so he knows that the lock is a liability. Also, the flag creates a small amount of friction against the hammer, making the action less smooth. Anyone who has seen Jerry's revolversmithing video knows that Jerry is all about friction removal. It surprises me not one bit that his gun is de-locked.
 
38-44HD45 said:
I haven't contacted Jerry, but if you look at the picture from the bottom link, showing the gun from the rear, it is quite clear that at least the flag is removed. I've seen a clearer picture of the left side of the gun, and it appears that it has been fully de-locked, but it is not as obvious as the missing flag.

If a lock were going to spontaneously tie up a gun, I can think of none more likely than Jerry's. I've seen him shoot in person, and we've all seen the videos. And perhaps more importantly, he KNOWS how they work, so he knows that the lock is a liability. Also, the flag creates a small amount of friction against the hammer, making the action less smooth. Anyone who has seen Jerry's revolversmithing video knows that Jerry is all about friction removal. It surprises me not one bit that his gun is de-locked.
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Well and good....I have never seen Mr. Miculek shoot, (except on TV). I have no idea how to contact him myself and if I could I doubt my answer one way or the other would be beleived. The people on this forum don't know me. I just think that the original poster that started this should have tried to contact Mr. Miculek to verify this. If he disabled the lock, well and good. If he didn't, well and good. It just seems like Jerry Miculet is on trial here and he is the only person that hasn't had a say in what a picture is susposed to show.

TLG
 
TLG said:
Well and good....I have never seen Mr. Miculek shoot, (except on TV). I have no idea how to contact him myself and if I could I doubt my answer one way or the other would be beleived. The people on this forum don't know me. I just think that the original poster that started this should have tried to contact Mr. Miculek to verify this. If he disabled the lock, well and good. If he didn't, well and good. It just seems like Jerry Miculet is on trial here and he is the only person that hasn't had a say in what a picture is susposed to show.

TLG
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Hold on a second. This is no persecution in any way shape or form. In fact, I applaud the actions of Jerry in de-locking his revolver.

I know Smith and Wessons very well, inside and out. It is clear in the photo I posted that came directly from Jerry's website that the lock flag was removed.

I did not contact Jerry because I see no need to do so. Anyone who wishes to do so, feel free. As far as I am concerned, he does not need to justify any modification to his property to myself or anyone else.
 
Really ! There is no law that says a gun owner cannot remove his IL.
Only the scare-threat that an enemy lawyer might/could use that action against the owner who did.
 
I would like to point out that the plugs that are so nicely made by several sellers are not an ideal rememdy for the hole. The entire reason for removing all the lock parts is to get rid of unnecessary parts inside the gun that may come loose in there. It is a partial cosmetic cure for the hole, but partially defeats the purpose of taking the parts out, to put other parts back in.

The hole is not a problem as seen in Jerry's gun, and the plug is only a cosmetic patch. If you are worried about that little hole in the side, you might as well tape over the muzzle, and put wax in the charge holes, still have openings in the gun behind the trigger, and at the top and bottom of the cylinder, and so forth, as well as the slot beside the hammer where the flag was removed. Revolvers are full of holes, gaps, slots, and openings, so what's the problem of the IL hole. Fuggadeboutit.
 
I think TLG must have just not read any of the post here, just the title, if he things anyone is putting Miculek on trial. If the posts here were read, one could easily see that we think he is in the same boat as us, dealing with the flippin lock. And I don't think calling up ole' jerry would be a very likely possibility. If you could even find a way to contact him, and actually speak to him, he probably couldn't 'officially' say anything about it, but I agree completely that it looks very obvious that his IL is not 'factory.'
 
Apparently the problem with the hole is that a lotta people don't like it and want to plug it up. And that is a good enough reason for me.
 
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spearcrow said:
I think TLG must have just not read any of the post here, just the title, if he things anyone is putting Miculek on trial. If the posts here were read, one could easily see that we think he is in the same boat as us, dealing with the flippin lock. And I don't think calling up ole' jerry would be a very likely possibility. If you could even find a way to contact him, and actually speak to him, he probably couldn't 'officially' say anything about it, but I agree completely that it looks very obvious that his IL is not 'factory.'
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Thank You.....I read the entire post. Go to the web site that has the pictures. Send an email to [email protected] See if you get an answer. It might take a while.

I said in my earlier post that I didn't care one way or the other. I just said the man should be able to tell the reason one way or the other. He is a shooter that is looked up to and should have the chance to tell his side. Pure and simple, that is all that I ment. You can read anything into this that you want to.

TLG
 
RedBerens said:
I think this also answers another often asked question; Is it ok to remove the flag only, or will the other parts rattle around inside the gun? I would assume his gun gets shot a lot more than mine, and he would have found out a long time ago if this was possible, so it looks like it's safe to leave the lock part in.
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Why do you think that only the flag has been removed?
 
Here is a side view of apparently the same model 627PC revolver from the article showing the lock tumbler still in place:

http://www.bang-inc.com/images/gunsgear.ircrevolver.large.jpg

The tumbler is held in place by a spring loaded yoke that basically performs a locking ring function as well as being a detent for the tumbler.

It is probably unlikely that the parts would come loose and jam up the revolver but why invite the possibility? There is always enough potential for Murphy's law to mess things up.

Maybe Jerry Miculek kept the tumbler so the lock removal modification would not be too obvious to viewers from the side
 
smith41mag said:
Just remember, once you remove or alter the lock, you have to send it to Smith Wesson to have a new one installed. They will not sell the flag or lock parts to anyone.

I know your asking "why would you put the lock back in", well, when and if you trade your gun to a dealer. He/She will have to send it to S/W to be repaired due to liablity issues when they sell it.

It's about 60.00 per gun.
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When you buy "the plug" it comes in a little zip lock bag, You can put the lock parts in that bag and drop it in the box the gun came with. If you ever wanted to sell that gun, the buyer would have the box, papers and the option to reinstall the lock if they need it.
 
S&WIowegan said:
I am a competition revolver shooter and have been for 20 years. I have shot matches in the same squad with Jerry. First, he prepares his own competition revos so S&W did NOT take the lock out for him! Second, all of us take the locks out of our competition guns (also the hammer block). It's a simple matter of eliminating as many things that could go wrong as possible.
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The last sentence of the above quote explains in a nutshell why it is just "plain common sense" not to depend on a S&W revolver with that stupid lock..............the professionals know not to risk a competition on it, so why would any thinking person risk their life on one as a carry weapon or for home defense.

I fail to see how some people can continue to say they see no additional risk by depending on a S&W with that lock!! :rolleyes:

Don
 
Competition guns are different...

S&WIowegan said:
I am a competition revolver shooter and have been for 20 years. I have shot matches in the same squad with Jerry. First, he prepares his own competition revos so S&W did NOT take the lock out for him! Second, all of us take the locks out of our competition guns (also the hammer block). It's a simple matter of eliminating as many things that could go wrong as possible.
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woodsltc said:
The last sentence of the above quote explains in a nutshell why it is just "plain common sense" not to depend on a S&W revolver with that stupid lock..............the professionals know not to risk a competition on it, so why would any thinking person risk their life on one as a carry weapon or for home defense.

I fail to see how some people can continue to say they see no additional risk by depending on a S&W with that lock!! :rolleyes:

Don
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So using your logic, we should remove the hammer blocks from our carry guns?
 
The thing I took away from those pictures is Jerry needs to learn how to clean his guns better. :) Those puppies are filthy. :)
 
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