Hey mg357, I have a 4'' 617 of recent vintage ( IL replaced with ''the Plug--thanks to fellow forum member Bullseye Smith ) It's a 10 shot. I think its a beautiful weapon both visually and, more importantly, in function. It balances and handles very well in the 4'' length, is very accurate, and is easy to clean & maintain. I searched for a used one for a long time to avoid the IL, but I never found one. Finally I had to order a new one. I replaced the rubber grips with a beautiful set of Ahrends. Now that I have one, I understand why there's few used ones around. Nobody wants to sell theirs ! ! Buy one, you'll be glad you did.......

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