I use Hoppes for the first cleaning, then Break Free for the second cleaning and lub. I have found that if one applies Break Free, allows the gun to sit overnight, then goes back with a cleaning patch, lots more goo has worked it's way out. I like Break Free so much that I ran across an old gallon jug of GI issue from several years ago and coughed up the $$$ to buy it.
Steve
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