I like these posts... back in the day, sit down, you know it's gonna be a long story... I used a bunch of this in 38, 357 and 9mm, some in 380... later, a bit in 44. Lee did some Great ammo and I gave him a bunch of money. It never disapointed... he also, by way of his sucess, got the big three off dead center and they developed a bunch of "stuff"... I still see him as the foundation of self defense stuff that we see on the market today. he was a "bit" ahead of his time. neat fella.