thanks for the info rock doc. i kind of thought it was a good price when i saw it and almost passed on it but then thought better. i'm glad i did. i haven't ever seen another one like this before. i've seen the k-22's, 17's and a model 43 but never one like this with all the stuff included. i think my gun money is going to be spent on s&w's for a while. besides, you can fit more of them in the safe than rifles.