Brenneke is the way to go, the best slugs bar none, and for that matter they are the best designed rifle bullets too. I used to be acquainted with a guy who had a Suhl drilling for hogs and black bear, 1 9.3x74 underneath two rifled 12ga barrels, the rifle for long range the 12ga for close up. From all I have ever seen, either are deadly with the Brenneke's holding up better than the Foster type.