The 8's and 81's are neat guns to collect. As was said earlier some of our more senior forum members who were LE carried and used them in the "popular and new" term as patrol rifles. It's interesting to hear the new younger police talk about the advantages of rifles/carbines in the cars as if it is something brand spankin' new. When I spent my youth in the squad car, 8's and Winchester 351's were common. Soon to be replaced by the more modern M1 and M2 Carbines{late 60's}. None the less those old Remingtons and Winchesters are a lot of fun to collect and even more fun to shoot on special occassions when you are shooting with people that appreciate them.