Thanks for all of your thoughts and opinions i am in compition shooting doing about 6 different shoots a month and firing around 600-800 rounds at them alone not including practice. so i'm really wanting a progressive and im not into rifles shooting. don't even hunt with a gun Tradition bow hunter/compition. man do hobbies cost alot. I did go to a friends place and learned and used his dillion progressive 650 and if I have questions i have someone close by that can help. Once again thanks alot