I have one and a half boxes of the Remington green and white box in 38 Special that was given to me by my neighbor when I bought his service gun, a S&W M15. He was a State Police Officer in the late 60's thru early 70's. Five rounds at the front of the box are what he called wadcutters, that have about a quarter of an inch flat bullet. He told me not to practice with these, use for self- defense. I don't plan on shooting any but plan to keep as a neat old box of ammo.