I remember a bunch that were opening pretty hefty office safes with a 7mm Mag and some kind of armored rounds years ago in South Florida. The thing really tore them up-5-6 inch walls. An 08 would just bounce off after making a dent, that's the diff. Flapjack. P.S. Oldman-I thought you were gonn' tell us that the deer were 600 pounders and wore body armore. I'll bet you didn't even have to dress the ones you shot!