I bought a bunch of these on close out for $10/bx. They are great bullets, very accurate. What I like to use them in is a Marlin 1894-C with lots of Lil'Gun, enough so to get them up around 1900+. They work well on whitetails, and probably some other tough critters too. At that velocity, they will indeed expand some, but adequate penetration is without question.

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