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Old 06-05-2012, 07:45 PM
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I've read book on dangerous animals that narrated some very grim tales about wolves, usually in Europe. And Elmer Keith mentioned an instance or two of wolves attacking in North America. Two coyotes killed a Canadian singer in a national park about a year ago, too, and I think coyotes will eventually make news by taking unattended children in the suburbs. It's just an event waiting to happen.

We also have the issue of "coydogs", a dangerous crossbreedng. One did attack my son at night, which problem he solved with a Benchmade lockblade knife.

All wild canines and dangerous large dogs are more hardy than some might think. After my brother shot one with a S&W M-60 .38 and the lead Plus P FBI load in the shoulder, I lean toward the .357 Magnum or .357 SIG as a minimum.
The 10mm autos might make a lot of sense.

If a rifle can be carried, about any solid deer caliber will do, but if I was selecting for this use, I'd probably take a FN-FAL.

If you're caught in the open by a large pack, as in Finland or Russia, you're probably just up the creek, especially if the animals are starving. When they invade villages and the army has to be called, that's just extreme, but it has happened, more than once.

The wolf huggers try to tell you they won't attack, but they sometimes do.
Gotta disagree. I'm researching for a presentation on wolves that I will be doing for WA State Parks as a campfire talk next month.

Fatalities: Two known in North America. Kenton Carnegie (d. 11/2005). Supposedly killed by several wolves in Sasketchewan. Local coroner (not an M.D.) ruled it was a wolf kill. Steve Herrero said it was a bear kill (noted authority on bear attacks) So did other bear specialists (I have read the autopsy and agree it appears to have been a bear). Wolves (and coyotes and foxes) appeared to have fed on him after death==nobody examined the site for several days after the attack.

Candice Berner (d. 2010) near Anchorage. Confirmed kill (clothing found in wolf's stomach). She was jogging and apparently ran in panic, which triggered an attack. She was a short, slender, blonde.

I've seen lions in a zoo focus in on a small blonde toddler and there was no way that kid would not have been lunch if that lion could have had his way!

In a 10 year study, 2 separate agencies (in 2 separate countries) determined there were 28 "valid attacks" (not provoked, no rabies, no small pets or camp supplies, etc) in all of North America.

All other attacks have been rabid animals, etc.

This does not mean that someone somewhere hasn't got munched and it was never reported==I'm sure it has but not very likely. My brother worked summers at a Boy Scout camp in SoCal. The caretaker (and local P/T deputy) had to put feral/wild dogs down several times. They were MEAN and would go for him. My buddies in Louisiana say they've been chased into trucks and had to shoot them.

Here in the Northwest, we have a lot of wolf-dogs and people turn them loose, thinking they'll survive. All attacks I've been able to follow up on were hybrids (after 5+ years, we had our first calf killed by wolves) Evidence indicates it MAY have been killed by wolves==one was definitely a coyote or wolf pup. F & G called it a "probable" but the investigator said it had been dead so long that no one could tell what killed it! Wolf, bear, pneumonia or a bullet==there wasn't enough to tell after a week.

In Europe, there are many factors that can play into it. Numerous large-scale wars leaving lots of bodies around, no other large predators (bears are pretty scarce outside of Siberia), a lot fewer firearms, etc.

BTW: I saw "Alien", what gun do I need to carry for protection?? ( lol; I thought The Grey was pretty entertaining!)

Texas Star: Send me your e-mail and I'll send my presentation, if you'd like.

Last edited by BearBio; 06-05-2012 at 07:48 PM.
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