jpendergrass1...Thank you for your comments. And thanks to Apex for being candid. With my current 5.75, I have no beef with Apex's stated numbers. I'm waiting to see if anyone out there is able to achieve Galloway's stated numbers or even close to it. It's awfully quiet out there re folks chiming in with their pull numbers. If the numbers don't come close to the "3.5 to 4.5", then someone needs to change their product advertising. Just like Apex is a good company, many people have been happy with Galloway and the products they provide.