The loads I listed that I use are for the 32 long. My load manual actually uses a little more 231 then 3.0 gr. I'm on the lower end of the scale. I use the same 3.0 gr for my 38 spec loads, saves changing the powder measure. The 2 gr of 231 for the HBWC a friend uses in his Hamerli, deadly accurate in his gun. He switches from 22 to 32 depending on the match he's shooting. He also had a custom bbl made with a 1 in 10 rate of twist. Larry