wow thanks for all the feedback everyone that's why I love this forum so much the people here are just a wealth of knowledge. anyway I want this rifle to be strictly a defensive carbine rifle very utilitarian in nature not for pretty looks all my gun are strictly defensive guns I don't hunt . I only want a lever with a loading gate so henery is out I do know the jm model marlin's are the ones to have though maybe I will look at some other manufacture mentioned like uburti or cimmoron well see Rossi might be something I have to consider if I cant find a jm marlin however I have a 625 I might consider trading for the right lever tho I would say its in 99% condition since its just sits I'm my safe thx again everyone.