SamMeow thanks for the curve ball but I already have what I consider the perfect CC pistol. I'm looking for something larger for range time and I'm pretty sure it will be either the SR9 or the SD9VE. For me it comes down to reliability and how the gun feels in my hand. Both feel great in my hand and I could be happy with either one. That leaves the reliability issue. Hopefully I can figure that out with research and the help of the Forum.