I didn't know about these grips until I stumbled onto this thread. These are the most atrociously butt-ugly grips I have ever, in all my born days, laid eyes upon. However, and if they make shooting a J-frame easier and more accurately, and as I always carry my 642 concealed, I am seriously trying to care less what they look like. In fact I may order a pair but I won't tell any of my shooting buddies. It'll be just our little secret.