I have to say after years of trying both, I still like the Pachs when it comes to rubber grips. I prefer a covered back strap, and since the primary goal of rubber grips is to aid control and reduce recoil. It seems the rubber covering the back strap is what reduces recoil. I currenlty have Grippers on the old M19, but the original Pach Presentation grip looks pretty good for a rubber grip.