No sir, I am not trolling, I am reading and digesting all of this invaluable information. I began third shift in a detention center 3 months ago and my world is kinda upside down. At my age it isn't easy but it is a hell of an education. So, that said, sorry for my silence but I am still here; thank you all for your responses, you can't go to the store and buy even a fraction of this knowledge. I began this thread because I bought some wadcutters from a friend and then purchased a Model 686; thus my question....Gamecock, little sore from the Cats whipping the Gamecocks a couple of weeks ago? (Gotta take my shot, it has been a lonnnnng time coming! At football, anyway...)