I don't disagree with the fact traditional lubed bullets are a mess both lubing and shooting them. Do you know of anyone who has actually looked at the bores using scientific methods to determine if residue is depositing in the bores? I don't question what you are saying but before I put these bullets through some of my older S&W revolvers and even the newer ones I just want to know for sure that 5 years from now I won't be questioning why I did it. I hope you understand my questioning position. I am not attacking these bullets because I really want to use them but I just don't want to abandon a proven process and later have regrettable problems.