Can tell you what it takes to get one. Just bought a model 17-4 N.O.S. in 8 3/8. Owner of the on-line store selling it stated it was "new unshot". Thought there'd be a good chance just a well cared for gun with a pitch claim attached to it up until it did arrive in new condition. BUT,,, it cost me one thousand dollars to own it,,, there you go.
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