He said he wanted a .357 and I let him shoot some, included some max loads. it turned him off like crazy.
I had to show him that you could shoot ANYTHING below that, even 148 gr HBWCs and it still took a few outings to convince him otherwise.
Then he bought an alloy .38 and he doesn't like that. I put a Hogue monogrip on mine and now my wife shoots it. I'll let him shoot it next time.