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Old 01-01-2017, 11:50 PM
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If the FBI standardized BB pellet air guns tomorrow we would get a big promotional work about how the low recoil and large capacity would make it the theoretical best choice out there, and gets rid of all that risk of under penetration. If they switched to 500 S&W tomorrow, we'd get a big press statement about its superior killing power and ability to pierce the armor or terrorists and hard barriers. The FBI's real reasoning won't be released, you'll get a press release that satisfies people. The new round is going to be perfect, all others are poor choices. So those statements aren't worth as much as one would think.

Besides, the 9mm Luger fanbois, man on this forum, sat around and called the FBI terrible, terrible names for decades after replacing the 9mm Luger. 9mm bois hated the FBI, called them no nothings, desk jockeys, said the choice to go 40 was political, backwards, stupid. The MOMENT they went back to 9mm, suddenly the bois said "The FBI is the world's most prominent law enforcement agency,and their word is FACT", a turnover that took about all of 1/2 of a second. You can't have ti both ways.

When the 9mm was doing better in the junks science 20% gel tests of the 70's and early 80's, gel tests were irrefutable FACT. The second that they fixed the gel tests to 10% with better criteria and other calibers did better than 9mm, then suddenly "Those are just a bunch of idiots with jello blocks". You can't have it both ways.

When 9mm was touting superior expansion with high velocity early hollow points, its high expansion was a sign of its vast superiority. Now that 45 ACP hollow points in slow 230 grain offerings are offering superior damage in greater expansion and better, repeatable penetration, suddenly terminal ballistics doesn't matter and superior wound channels are worthless. Imagine that.

The 9mm is inferior terminal ballistics wise, that's fact. Optimized, the heavier bullet at same energy will end up pushing a wider faced expanded bullet deeper. Just like they've been doing since the big hit job to make 45 look bad to push a new caliber nobody wanted decades ago, 9mm doesn't actually stand on any one point to make a point, it just keeps changing goal posts, outright lying, junk science, and most tellingly, contradicting itself every 2 seconds when results change. Anyone who does that is not being objective and scientific, they are just trying to push a bias against all reason.

When the 5.7 was going to replace the 9mm, suddenly we got to see this whole thing play out again: the 5.7 was better than the 9mm because it had lower recoil, higher capacity, better hard barrier penetration, and of course, by the very logic of the 9mm crowd used to replace the 45 ACP. Suddenly instead of old GI's defending the 45 on the basis of heavier bigger caliber is better, the 9mm people, now the old guys in military and law enforcement, were the old fogies shaking their canes at the kids and using the same exact arguments the 45 people used against the 9mm. it was a repeat of the 70's all over again, and the same young bucks were now the old stalwarts. What irony. What a joke.

45 fan bois are pukish people. But no rabid fan base in this field is worse the 9mm bois. Little better than North Korea is best Korea nonsense; the 9mm has the BEST terminal performance, even as good or better than 357 magnum or 45 ACP, 9mm has BEST penetration, 9mm has BEST capacity, of course, when smaller calibers can do those better, sundenly a slower heavier 9mm is better. Why? Because of any real proof or reason? No. Because 9mm is best. BEST. No matter what. And we can rationalize it no matter what. Because 9mm is BEST. Repeat that. Again and again.

Kanew paddle wrote on here some time that 115 +p+ was just as good as 357 Magnum. That was when I realized that there is no objectivity or honesty in any of this. 9mm is BEST. You can't argue against that. its inferior ballistics are now superior. The 9mm magically hast he recoil of 9mm low target loads yet the power of a +P+ load. Absolute truth doesn't matter. We'll just take every other caliber and magically negate its actual ability while magically stretching the ability of the cartridge we like. We close the very real gaps. Magically. By just saying close enough, then implying the gaps don't matter, or say "even with the gaps its better anyways". Because 9mm is BEST. And no amount of anything can change our preconceived notion, because we only come to argue and win over people our preconceived notion.

I come to boards for a lot of good information, which there is a lot of. But there is a lot of this is a big farce, and you can only come here to chuckle. Indeed, these boards amuse me greatly.
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