or if I came full circle, but I now have 13, 357's all S&W. 4 K frames and 9 N frames. I do remember my first 357 in the 60's was a Hawes Western Marshall that kept coming apart when I shot it too much. I got rid of the Marshall and got a Tropper III. Got my first Model 28 and sold the Colt in the early 70's and never went back.