I cant seem to get Photobucket to cooperate today. Been too long since I used it I guess. Anyway, in my old posts there is a picture of a 1917 I got as basically a barreled frame with a barrel that was split and bulged in front of the locking lug. After cutting and crowning I ended up with about 3 & 3/8" of barrel. I could have shortened it maybe 1/4" more without getting into the locking lug. Has turned into one of my favorite guns and I have another beater that will get the same treatment if I will show some initiative and get it done.