Great stuff guys !! Mark, thanks for letting me know that even lighter than start book loads worked well for you, I need to know stuff like this ! I just scanned Speer #13 and they used a magnum primer in their workups. I guess it cooks slow enough to warrant their usage in the magnum loads. Glad to hear it likes lead bullets also since I'm using a 200gr Laser Cast to duplicate my carry ammo (Speer 200gr GDHP).