WP_20170318_17_39_09_Pro.jpgHondo, thanks a bunch. I just finished reading through this whole string. I wish I had read it before I posted and saved myself some embarrassment. I now fully understand the the I frame vs baby J etc. Mine is a baby J, .38 S&W SPL on right of barrel, early rounded flat latch, serrated ramp. This forum is a great place to hang out and learn. Thanks again.