I have owned at least 2 of every handgun KelTec makes. I have carried 2 P9s and then 2 P11s. Each pair for 6 months. Great for carry and while they are not recreational, they aren't meant to be. Unlike some other Forum members mine were not flawless. I really liked them but in the end because of functioning problems I replaced them with 2 Glock 43s. At 19 ounces loaded, I REALLY like the KelTec PMR 30. However it does not hide well.