Have been picking up old issues of Shooting Times to get caught up on those years since the late 70s was away from shooting. Noticed in a Taurus gun test (April 1999) they claim getting a 1.25 group with a four inch barrel .357 revolver at twenty five yards. Also remember other S.T. tests over the years with S&Ws and Colts claiming clover leaf groups at that yardage. I know I can't come anywhere close to those results myself, was wondering are these embellished claims or is there anyone here on this site that can actually shoot that tight of a group with a stock four inch revolver with factory ammo?