I just now bought a new 4043 in the original box with all paperwork and two mags for 336.00 shipped. I will give the DAO version a try and see how I like it. I do like the fact there will be no exposed hammer or safety levers to catch on clothing or pack straps etc. I will keep looking for a 4003 as well. I do not want a steel framed pistol as I want to stay right at 33-35 punces loaded.