Been using the FA wet tumbler/ss pins for about 3 years now. Yes it's a little more effort, but the results are more than worth it to me. Warm water, squirter of dawn and dash of lemishine is all it takes. Tumble 3 hours and ohh la la, pretty brass! All my brass is tumbled long before I load it and usually 24 hours and all is dry and ready for storage container till needed. Still use my Lyman 3200 for what little rifle brass I load, not as clean, but not sure I want to try getting ss pins out of 223/308 brass. Oh, and I no longer have to clean primer pockets!! :-)