I bought a Frankford wet tumbler about a year ago I'm happy with the way it works. Little bit of dawn and lemishine hot or cold water seems to work equally as well, 5 gal bucket separator and the Frankford magnet for the pins that get away. I still use my Lyman 2400 turbo for smaller batches but when processing large quantities of dirty range brass wet tumbling is the way to go. I deprime with a universal deprimer and tumble before I do anything else, really dirty brass is hard on a set of dies.