I shoot a lot of Berry's 38/357. While I'm not trying to baby them, I see no need to push them when target shooting. I'm looking for accuracy and the 158gr target hp and the hbwc are as accurate as any other bullet I've tried cast, coated or plated. The majority are loaded with 3gr of Bullseye and that combo shoots great in every one of the revolvers I've tried from 2" to 6". I've had similar results with Xtreme and Ranier, but Berrys is hands down the most accurate. With this load, crimping is not a factor. I do like how clean the plated bullets shoot and load. Ive just extended my "home range" where I can shoot 50 yards and I may find the need to "hop up" the velocity at longer distances so I'm glad to know they can be ramped up.