I mentioned to him that his price reflects an example with a box and correct grips, but he is certain that he will get what he is asking for it, if not more. Since it doesn't have the box or grips and he won't take a penny less for it, I am going to let it sit. It is a nice gun, but I would rather pay closer to what you guys are quoting because I feel that the $500-$550 OTD price range is closer to the current market value is for it as it sits. Who knows, maybe I will just save my cash and put it towards a model 27 instead. Thanks for all of the replys!