Well Sir, I'm sorry to report I don't know what either of these items are. The good news is I'm fairly certain I know what they are not. Actually, it's a lead pipe cinch I know what they are not--and that's a S&W Antique (as defined herein). Accordingly, I respectfully suggest that the hypothetical detective look for leads and clues which will lead him/her to the proper forum.

Ralph Tremaine