Carhartt relaxed fit work jeans and work shorts do fine for me. They sit at my "natural waist", as Carhartt puts it, have decent sized pockets, but I found the pocket and thigh fabric started to wear through right where the end of the barrel/holster ride. I solved that by turning the pocket inside out and applying a denim iron-on patch on the bottom inside of the pocket and put one the same place on the inner thigh. I now carry a Sig P938 just fine, but my Smith 638 did OK too as far as depth. I stopped carrying the 638 because the bottom of the very curved trigger sort of pinched my trigger finger against the trigger guard in double action practice and made the finger very sore.