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Originally Posted by Ziggy2525
Hate to keep this going, but it's so far off the rails, why not.
I think what several pretty experienced LEO's and retired LEO's have tried to point out is not a flaw in your approach, but a flaw in your assumptions. Those LEO's, that appear to have pretty deep experience investigating civilian shootings, don't believe entangled shooting encounters occur anywhere near as frequently as you believe they do. Even the Claude Werner stats you linked to mentioned that most encounters were "just beyond arms reach" which would imply no entanglement. Maybe CHP holders are less willing to let someone get that close. Maybe it's just good karma.
If you start with the assumption that every encounter is an entangled encounter, then the answer will always be dojo skills and a snub. If you start with stats that show most aren't entangled, a .22 will likely be a fine solution.
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-Most civilian self-defense scenarios(all types) involve physical contact at some point during the confrontation.
-Most civilians don't carry a gun.
-Most civilians(especially women), don't have the ability to access, effectively use and retain a weapon in an ECQ scenario. ---In most favorable outcomes, the gun will already be out or the assailant(s) immediately break contact or the defender is able to break contact to gain an opportunity to draw their weapon. In negatives outcomes for the defender, they lose control of the weapon, the shots don't have the required effect or they never even get the weapon out.
Even so, Zimmerman/Martin type scenarios(standing or grounded) do occur and would happen much more often if more people carried and had the skills to handle the initial assault and effectively access their weapon during in-fighting.