I use a modern version of the Ideal 3118, that has a gas check. With a gas check they weigh 117 grain. I use a Forrester case trimmer with the hollow point attachment to make them about 90 grains and load them with 6.5 grains of Unique and a cork card over the powder for about 1000 fp. I don't have a lever gun in 30-30, I have a Savage 24 in 30-30/20 gauge (26" Barrel!). I got it on paper with the iron sights (as set from factory) and never used it beyond 50 yards. But on varmints (raccoons, opossums, & ground hogs) in the gardens, it has been devastating! The corpses either go in the compost pile, or blackberry patch!