My holy **** load, I I do mean HOLY ****!!! load is 17.4gr of H800x and a Hornady 200gr XTP. I've never experienced anything like that in any handgun that I've fired. The pressure wave actually distorted space and time. Made my ears ring behind the earplugs and muffs and scared the **** out of me and everyone else there that day. It also is quite accurate and as always using H800x, single digit SDs and low ES. I know the vast majority of folks dont like it because it meters like cornflakes and they have to trickle up each charge. I say big freaking deal, what's the hurry? I have had outstanding results all around with it, especially in 10mm and 44mag. Seems theyve discontinued it and that's too bad. I'm glad I still have 12 more lbs of it.