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Old 12-27-2012, 02:38 AM
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Assault Weapons - Issues - United States Senator Dianne Feinstein

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Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation:

Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:
120 specifically-named firearms
Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one military characteristic
Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds
Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by:
Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test
Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test
Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address attempts to “work around” prior bans
Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.

Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by:
Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment
Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes and
Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons

Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:
Background check of owner and any transferee;
Type and serial number of the firearm;
Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and
Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration



Take Note: "Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test"
It appears that any rifle with a detachable magazine that has one "military characteristic" such as a pistol grip, flash hider or other muzzle device, or a collapsible/folding stock would be an "assault weapon."

And take special note of the part in bold. Gun registration on a national basis.

I hope you guys are willing to show up for a fight, and not think is is somehow not going to affect the collector or sportsman. WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER TO DEFEAT THIS. PLEASE GET INVOLVED AND WRITE YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS TO SUPPORT YOUR RIGHTS. SUPPORT THE NRA, AND DON'T LET THE ANTIs GET A HEAD OF STEAM UP ON THIS. E PLURIBUS UNUM!
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It is too much, too extreme. Registration is 1 step away from confiscation. My gut tells me that Congress wouldn't go for it, however I've been surprised in the past. Time for people to stand up and kick this thing to the curb before it is too late.
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And, if they are banning the transfer of what you've got, no handing them down or passing them on. You are effectively the last owner of your arms.

I agree, it is too much. But the nation is heartbroken, and like it's been said, "A person is smart. People are stupid." Who knows what might happen in the halls of Congress in the current mood. I am not going to wait and see without trying to influence the outcome.
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For what it's worth, here is my prediction . . . . .

This bill or one like it will be presented for debate. The NRA, working behind the scenes and in public pronouncements will negotiate a bill that includes some restrictions, but will be much less onerous than what Feinstein is presenting.

Then, the "no compromise under any circumstances" crowd will announce that NRA has "sold us out."

I have been watching, studying, or teaching politics for 50 years. The closest thing I can think of to compare with the mood right now concerning guns is the mood of the country after the JFK, RFK, and MLK assassinations, except about X10 as far as media hysteria. The "no compromise" crowd unjustly accuses NRA of selling out when GCA68 was passed as a result of these killings. For one thing, NRA didn't have the power it does now. Also, the RFK and MLK assassinations actually took place after the bill was introduced, but before final passage, lending great impetus toward that passage.

Today, there are otherwise reasonable people questioning whether or not citizens should be allowed to own so-called "assault weapons." I know them and you know them. The same thing was true after the JFK assassination. Remember, Oswald had gotten his weapons through the mail. No matter that tens of thousands of guns had been ordered through the mail and had not been used in crimes. Otherwise reasonable people just couldn't see the harm in a little more regulation.

Folks, I think some kind of legislation is inevitable at this point. I think that we should remember that the only governmental system that involves "no compromise" is a dictatorship. NRA is a lobbying organization. The purpose of lobbying organizations is to try their best to see that any legislation passed is beneficial to its members, and failing that, to alleviate the restrictions imposed by any legislation as much as possible.

I think we have to trust the NRA to do that for us.
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I noticed that a couple of people did not have the NRA symbol on their thread. We need to get everyone signed up. It's only $35 a year and you even get a great magazine to read.
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Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by:
Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment
Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes
So what category, say, would a Ruger 10-22 with a 25-round magazine fall into?

The "900 specifically-named weapons" leave a lot of wiggle room but the worst part of this bill is the "registration" requirement. That needs to be defeated. I predict that after all the sausage-making in Congress, something will come out that will please neither side. The anti-gunners will say the legislation is too weak and the pro gun rights folks will say it went too far. The important point is that it will wind up further eroding the 2nd Amendment. I hope the Repubs and some right-thinking Democrats will filibuster. In the House, Boehner can stall action on a vote for months. He owes Barry one for embarrassing him on the fiscal cliff debacle.
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It is too much, too extreme. Registration is 1 step away from confiscation.
Hmmm , while I agree in principle , this certainly did not happen with the National Firearms Act of 1937 and full-autos. If you had a machine gun , you registered it , and if you sold it , you paid a $200 transfer tax. Which shockingly, hasn't gone up. $200 was a lot of money in '37. Approx. $3200 today.

Crimes , murders and suicides with legally owned and registered full-autos is practically non-existant.

And aside from freezing the number of legally transferable MGs in '86, the politicos have made NO hay over legally owned and registered MGs that I know of. At least on the Federal level.

The problem today is the first time a multiple shooting is on the news , legally owned and registered or not , the registration fee becomes yearly. And with every event after that , the tax gets raised.
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Hmmm , while I agree in principle , this certainly did not happen with the National Firearms Act of 1937 and full-autos. If you had a machine gun , you registered it , and if you sold it , you paid a $200 transfer tax. Which shockingly, hasn't gone up. $200 was a lot of money in '37. Approx. $3200 today.

Crimes , murders and suicides with legally owned and registered full-autos is practically non-existant.

And aside from freezing the number of legally transferable MGs in '86, the politicos have made NO hay over legally owned and registered MGs that I know of. At least on the Federal level.

The problem today is the first time a multiple shooting is on the news , legally owned and registered or not , the registration fee becomes yearly. And with every event after that , the tax gets raised.
Good points. As I see it, lost in all the emotion is the fact that any legislation will result in new revenue for the federal government, which already is siphoning off too much in taxes, fees, etc. Look for new federal and/or state taxes on all ammunition sales.

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Look for new federal and/or state taxes on all ammunition sales.

Because?

A. Drug dealers and their gang have duffle bags full of cash!

B. Someone bent on killing themself and others will balk at the cost of the ammo being too high!
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Letter to Feinstein:

No ma'am. - CNN iReport

"Senator Dianne Feinstein,

I will not register my weapons should this bill be passed, as I do not believe it is the government's right to know what I own. Nor do I think it prudent to tell you what I own so that it may be taken from me by a group of people who enjoy armed protection yet decry me having the same a crime. You ma'am have overstepped a line that is not your domain. I am a Marine Corps Veteran of 8 years, and I will not have some woman who proclaims the evil of an inanimate object, yet carries one, tell me I may not have one.

I am not your subject. I am the man who keeps you free. I am not your servant. I am the person whom you serve. I am not your peasant. I am the flesh and blood of America.
I am the man who fought for my country. I am the man who learned. I am an American. You will not tell me that I must register my semi-automatic AR-15 because of the actions of some evil man.

I will not be disarmed to suit the fear that has been established by the media and your misinformation campaign against the American public.

We, the people, deserve better than you..."
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Everyone, and I mean everyone, needs to get into the fight and get off their butts and start writing, calling, emailing their elected officials, Dems and Republicans alike. The next step is John Boehner, the buck stops with him. He can either stand and fight or cave, but we will remember which he does. He needs to know if he stands, we stand with him and if he caves, he will be replaced. Get to the media and shout this to the highest levels, Facebook pages, Twitter, everything. Grassroots at its finest. This is the time to stand, and we need gun owners who DON'T own any of these guns even more, because they need to know what is next if this ban goes into effect.
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Letters out to Boehner and Reid, as well as my local reps. I would suggest everyone take the time to let the elected ones know just how strong opposition to something like this is.

Please ad Speaker of the House Boehner and Senate Majority Leader Reid to list of people that you are writing to. They can trap legislation like this in committee, and never let it see the light of day.

Speaker Of The House John Boehner http://www.speaker.gov/contact
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid http://www.reid.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm

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You guys can clip this, maybe add as you see fit. DO NOT MAKE THREATS! Except of course, for a promise to see them out of office if they support any new restrictions on our rights!

"In the light of recent national events, the rights of millions of law-abiding citizens are under scrutiny and attack. One such attack will attempt to be proposed this coming January by Senator Dianne Feinstein of California. This "knee-jerk" and "feel good" type of legislation does nothing to address the real issues involving guns in this great country. There can be no compromise of any type on any new measures that would result in banning, taxing, or further regulating semiautomatic firearms, magazines, or ammunition. It has been proven by the banning of guns in many cities in this country such as Chicago and Washington D.C. yet they have some of the highest gun crime rate published. Further legislation for banning or taxing firearms, characteristics, magazines, or ammunition will not address the real issues.

As your voting constituent I implore you to oppose any future firearm legislation and remember that, the "right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".

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So much for the 'DEMOs" wanting to balance the budget. The cost to do this will be in the billions. First they would have to hire more people to register all the firearms then the BATFE has to go door to door to follow up on all 4473s.

This was tried in CA and only 3% registered the firearms. All of the ones that were sold FTF? What a nightmare.
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For what it's worth, here is my prediction . . . . .

This bill or one like it will be presented for debate. The NRA, working behind the scenes and in public pronouncements will negotiate a bill that includes some restrictions, but will be much less onerous than what Feinstein is presenting.

Then, the "no compromise under any circumstances" crowd will announce that NRA has "sold us out."

I have been watching, studying, or teaching politics for 50 years. The closest thing I can think of to compare with the mood right now concerning guns is the mood of the country after the JFK, RFK, and MLK assassinations, except about X10 as far as media hysteria. The "no compromise" crowd unjustly accuses NRA of selling out when GCA68 was passed as a result of these killings. For one thing, NRA didn't have the power it does now. Also, the RFK and MLK assassinations actually took place after the bill was introduced, but before final passage, lending great impetus toward that passage.

Today, there are otherwise reasonable people questioning whether or not citizens should be allowed to own so-called "assault weapons." I know them and you know them. The same thing was true after the JFK assassination. Remember, Oswald had gotten his weapons through the mail. No matter that tens of thousands of guns had been ordered through the mail and had not been used in crimes. Otherwise reasonable people just couldn't see the harm in a little more regulation.

Folks, I think some kind of legislation is inevitable at this point. I think that we should remember that the only governmental system that involves "no compromise" is a dictatorship. NRA is a lobbying organization. The purpose of lobbying organizations is to try their best to see that any legislation passed is beneficial to its members, and failing that, to alleviate the restrictions imposed by any legislation as much as possible.

I think we have to trust the NRA to do that for us.
I believe you're on the mark, that we'll end up with some type of legislation but I also doubt it will be so onerous that it will take away our basic rights under the 2nd A. I suspect it will return the "assault rifle" ban but doubt it will include a registration clause for current owners. And we're a long ways, if ever, from any form of ID card. Look at the financial mess. The government can't even do that right. Over the coming months this issue will calm down and we'll end up with something some of us don't like but we can live with. And our reloading components will once more be available, ammo will return to the shelves, and we (at least those of us in the North) will enjoy the warmth of summer.
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I for one have sent letters to Speaker of the House, Senate Majority Leader and my Governor. Everyone needs to make their voices loud. What I dont want to happen are a bunch of people going off on the issue with not intent of actualy doing something. It takes minutes to e mail congress, please write them.

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I for one have sent letters to Speaker of the House, Senate Majority Leader and my Governor. Everyone needs to make their voices loud. What I don't want to happen are a bunch of people going off on the issue with not intent of actually doing something. It takes minutes to email congress, please write them.

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I have done the same and encourage all others who love this country and the freedom we have to follow us!
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I made a donation to NRA, wrote letters to my Senators, Representants, Speaker of the House and Senate Majority Leader. Spreading the voice thru all my friends and gun owners. IMHO this is what all of us should do in this moment, this bill should die ASAP.
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No. The NRA is there to negotiate for us.

I take it you are not a member, nor a supporter of NRA.
Well I happen to be a Life Member of the NRA - - - but I also support organizations which take a much stronger stand such a Gun Owners of America. gunowners.org - - - Too many times the NRA has compromised on things that made absolutely no difference in the stated anti crime goals of the antis (such as external cosmetic features on a rifle.) They are the biggest organization out there, and thats why I am a member. But they arent the only game in town; and IMO they arent the best game in town.

I don't think it inevitable at all that anti gun legislation will be passed. Some seem to have fallen over - before the other side has even showed up on the field of battle. The other side has won the psych war over some people. As for what Feinstein has proposed - - - so what ? She has always been a hardcore anti.
All this is an emotional response, and many have seemed to fall for it. The odds of being killed by lightening are greater than being involved in a mass shooting. (And youre much more likely to be hit by lightening and survive. Just look up the stats for the number of people struck and the number killed by lightening each year in the US and around the world. Compare that number to those that are victims of mass attacks. As an everyday comparison, about 115 people are killed every day in the U.S. by auto accidents.)

You can bet that your 'lawmakers' will sell you out in a heartbeat if in their interests. We need to let them know we won't tolerate this. Write to them and let them know that if they cave on anti gun legislation, you will work to get them booted from office in the next election. They lose the cushy job, fat pension & benefits, and the opportunity to make big money doing insider trading. (Though some may sell you out, and then choose not to run again anyway.) Respectfully listen to other people, but then let them know the facts - how this is being hyped out of proportion to any real 'threat'.

Please, always keep in mind the real agenda. . . disarming all American citizens. It is the destruction of the 2nd Amendment. They use the tactics of the Fabian Socialists - - - a gradual and steady attack over time. Slowly turning up the heat till the frog is boiled in the pot. - - - If you speak to many people in Great Britain, they will tell you that they have gun rights. They have the right to own certain kinds of guns, for certain limited purposes, and in certain very limited ways - - - all subject to government registration and approval. They had no one 200 years ago who insisted that the Bill of Rights be amended to the US Constitution. They have no 2nd Amendment, and we may be fooled into tossing ours away too.

Also, remember the vaccine scare a few years back ? They said that we'd all keel over if we didnt take the flu shot. There was talk that people might even be forced to take it, as a matter of national health and 'security'.
All that was a total lie.
And people refused to take the flu shot.
They ended up trying to pawn it off on people overseas, and they didnt want the stuff either. Afterwards most of the shots were just dumped. Another in a long list of frauds.

It'll be up to the American gunowner as to what will come of this.

What next ? If we hear from some politician/bureaucrat that all buildings and people must be registered so that 'the government' may take measures to 'protect us' from lightening strikes in the name of 'national security', will Americans go along with that too ?

We used to be "the land of the free, home of the brave" and people who could think.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither Liberty nor safety." - Benjamen Franklin

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The NRA has properly responded to the Senator's bill, characterizing it as a phony bill based entirely on lies. Well done, Wayne.

The notion that the NRA should work behind the scenes with Congress to produce a watered down bill of lies in an effort to appease is something that I would NOT support or fund. The NRA should continue to stand firm and help convince our friends in Congress to do the same.
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The NRA has properly responded to the Senator's bill, characterizing it as a phony bill based entirely on lies. Well done, Wayne.

The notion that the NRA should work behind the scenes with Congress to produce a watered down bill of lies in an effort to appease is something that I would NOT support or fund. The NRA should continue to stand firm and help convince our friends in Congress to do the same.
Exactly. The NRA proposal to put security in schools is the ONLY idea put forth that could have actually stopped the bloodshed at Sandy Hook. NONE of the gun banners ideas would have stopped anything.

The Feinstein Proposal is nothing more than her follow up on the "94 AWB, and as another poster said in another thread, is an "AWB on steroids."

Any of you guys who have not looked at this thing, please start paying attention. In '94 Feinstein famously said, "If we could have gotten 51% I would have said, 'Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them in...every last one of them.'"

Our opponents will not stop at high capacity magazines or EBR's... If you think they will not come after every gun in private hands you are very mistaken. Take them at their word, they have said they will.
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I wrote a fine little letter and have been sending it around to some of our elected officials....

Dear XXXXXXXX

Due to recent events in the aftermath of the horrific shooting in Newtown, Ct, I feel I must write to vigorously defend my rights. I am one of tens of millions of law-abiding firearm owners in the United States, and I feel that my rights are now under attack from the media and politicians alike.

The knee-jerk reaction from many has been to call for more gun control. To ban certain types of firearms. This is misguided and dangerous. What the government should be focusing on is how to help families with individuals that have mental heath issues and keeping criminals and repeat offenders off of the street. For every Adam Lanzaa, or Jared Loughner, there are tens of millions of firearm owners who are smart and use firearms in a responsible manner.

The FBI’s own crime statistics show that violent crime has been steadily decreasing for the past 40 years and violent gun-related crimes have also been steadily decreasing. More crimes are committed with knives or other means than guns. So do we now also need to ban knives and baseball bats? The 1994 Clinton AWB did little to nothing to curb or stop mass shootings. The Columbine incident is a perfect example. A criminal does not care about laws and where they have a willingness to do harm; they will find a way, be it with a firearm or other means. Indeed, this has been a failure for criminal and mental health systems across the United States.

Senator Dianne Feinstein’s newly proposed 2013 AWB is nothing short of an all out attack on liberty, freedom, and our God-given Constitutional rights. If Congress adopts this legislation, the federal government would be specifically targeting millions of law-abiding gun owners who have never broken any laws. This is wrong. As one of those law-abiding gun owners, we would be subjected to erroneous and invasive imperious laws that the criminals of society would simply ignore. Again, this is wrong. It would simply be a very bad piece of legislation that would have legal ramifications for decades.

The state of Connecticut already has a sort of AWB in place, and it did not stop this crime. If you enact another 100 gun laws it will not stop gun crime. Adam Lanzaa tried to purchase a firearm and was turned down. The system did what it was supposed to.

I am a loving husband and father. I am also an honorably discharged veteran of the United States Army. I am a patriot and I love my country. Senator Feinstein’s proposal has nothing to do with a solution to the terrible events in Newtown, or Colorado, or Arizona, and has everything to do with the ultimate attempt by the government to control and subvert the population. We, the voting public and lawful gun owners would see this as Congress neglecting its duty to uphold the Constitution. It would be criminal and I will not comply. I cannot have the luxury of a private security detail to protect myself and my family like so many in government do.

Lastly, it is utterly laughable for the President, Attorney General and anyone in Congress to talk about more gun control, when dubious operations like “Fast & Furious” are perpetrated by the federal government and wind up killing innocent people.

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In some counties the Sheriffs are deputizing citizens with concealed carry permits so they can volunteer as auxillary deputies to serve in the schools. Such a citizen based defense, focused at the local level sounds like a good idea IMO.

Little to no extra costs and no federal power grab. (Just don't accept any fed money for the program, or theyll dictate to you.)

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Excuse me Mrs. Feinstein, I have a question. Which part of your proposed bill would have stopped CT, Columbine or Aurora? While we wait for the final report in CT from what I have read the kid stole the guns from his Mother (broken law) who may/may not have had them stored in a gun safe (broken Law), Murdered his mother (broken law), transported loaded firearms in a vehicle (broken law), broke into a school (broken law), and comitted more murder (more broken laws). So, Mrs. Feinstein could you please point out how any part of your proposed new law would have stopped any recent multiple murder situation. Murder with a registered gun is still murder. Murder with a 10 round clip is still murder. Murder with a bolt action is still murder. Murder with a pump action shotgun is still murder. And, Mrs. Feinstein, we already have laws against murder!

Oh, I'm sorry I sort of forgot that you are a politician so facts don't matter much.
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Maybe she needs to discuss her views with the Mexican Cartels, FACE TO FACE.
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This would make Illinois FOID card program look like a walk in the park. Yowza.
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One of my concerns is that they will lower the bar for disqualifying ownership. Every been to a psychiatrist/psychologist? Ever been prescribed anti-depressants? No more firearms for you! They are already doing this to veterans.
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Good points. As I see it, lost in all the emotion is the fact that any legislation will result in new revenue for the federal government, which already is siphoning off too much in taxes, fees, etc. Look for new federal and/or state taxes on all ammunition sales.
Good point.
I'm wondering if they'll come after the ammo next. Either by taxing.or banning Internet sales. This would mean paying incredibly inflated gun shop prices,which would discourage new/casual shooters to our hobby..
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It will be interesting to see if this bill, should it actually be introduced, ever makes it out of committee, and whether or not a "sister bill" will be introduced in the House.

Either way, I'll be watching GovTrack very, very closely over the next few months.
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I for one have sent letters to Speaker of the House, Senate Majority Leader and my Governor. Everyone needs to make their voices loud. What I dont want to happen are a bunch of people going off on the issue with not intent of actualy doing something. It takes minutes to e mail congress, please write them.

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I spent 2 hours writing everyone I felt mattered. Never been much of a a politico, but I tell you this blatant attack from Feinstein on the 2nd amendment is disgusting. This has nothing to do with the children we lost in Conn., and has everything to do with a nutjob liberal Idealist, and her first move for a crime free utopia. Germany 1938 all over again ... the sheeple have screwed us by putting, and leaving these people in public office.
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Dear Senator. What if I told you an AR was NOT used in thses shootings?
MSNBC says it wasn't.
Investigation is 'very complex' - Video on TODAY.com

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That was early video, before everyone had their story straight.
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If the NRA has correctly interpreted the Senator's bill (I believe they have) then there's more than enough information to start defining the entire gun control movement with TV ad imagery--

Tens of million of law-abiding Americans forced to be fingerprinted with FBI cards and photographed... asking why they are being treated like criminals (criminal thugs laughing in the background). Grandpa being handcuffed and taken into custody for failing to register his M1 (grandma sobbing in the background). ATF agents reading the obituaries to plan their daily gun confiscations (well known anti-gun politicians smiling in the background). --- This is the kind of imagery and message that the American people need to see in order to fully understand the world these gun control zealots want us to live in. No need for hyperbole like 'government jackbooted thugs' or anything like that, just captions with specific language from this particular bill and a cold hard look at what it means while linking the entire gun control movement to the Senator's bill.

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Well Just a couple years ago Putin and Chavez got the two AK plants running down in Venezuela and since we can count on Congress to never act on sealing the Boarder as soon as a big ban goes into effect it should be profitable enough so we should be able to get AK's smuggled in the same way drugs, Sex slaves and all asorted nastiness is coming across the boarder! The road to hell is always paved with good intent!
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I thought I remembered that Senator Feinstein had a carry permit. A wee bit hypocritical.

"Feinstein is an anti-gun Senator who still somehow found the fortitude to obtain for herself a concealed firearms carry permit, a privilege she wants to deny others. 27 April 1995:


"Less than twenty years ago I was the target of a terrorist group. It was the New World Liberation Front. They blew up power stations and put a bomb at my home when my husband was dying of cancer. And the bomb didn't detonate. [...] I was very lucky. But, I thought of what might have happened. Later the same group shot out all the windows of my home. [...] And, I know the sense of helplessness that people feel. I know the urge to arm yourself because that's what I did. I was trained in firearms. I'd walk to the hospital when my husband was sick. I carried a concealed weapon. I made the determination that if somebody was going to try to take me out, I was going to take them with me."
Feinstein claims that she has since relinquished both the handgun and the concealed weapons permit "
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I have every day sent this letter, I change the name on the top, but this letter has gone to congress, VP Biden, Pres. Obama, state reps, and who ever I can send it to

Dear Gov. Hickenlooper,



I am writing this letter to express my view on gun control. I am a firm believer in my second amendment right to “Keep and Bear Arms”. I believe that every law abiding citizen has the right to own firearms. I understand everyone’s reaction to Sandy Hook, and trust me there is one crime that I believe to be inexcusable and that is any crime against children. I feel that everyone’s reaction to Sandy Hook and other shootings are endangering our rights as Americans. I hear politicians say that they support the second amendment but support the Assault Weapons Ban, I find it hard to believe that anyone would both support and oppose the Second Amendment. In the second amendment it says nothing about having the right to own guns for the purpose of hunting and sport shooting, it says we have the right to keep and bear arms for the protection of ourselves and our nation from anyone who would infringe upon it, up to and including our own government. Limits on the capacity of a magazine is a joke, if I have one 30 round magazine or three ten round magazines make zero difference. I feel it is a “knee-jerk” reaction that would have no effect. The time that it takes to re load a magazine is 10ths of a second, so there is no way that a capacity ban would have any effect. Do not ban guns based on looks, there are too many false facts coming from politicians and the media. Speak from honest, proven facts and not hear say. I would support any law that keeps guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally incompetent, however reject any law that keeps guns out of the hands of good, honest, law abiding Americans.

Not one law abiding gun owner ever committed a crime ever in history. If criminals were to follow laws, there would be no crime and new bans on our second amendment right only effects law abiding citizens. Again, the second amendment is not about hunting, shooting sports or anything other than the people having the right to defend them selves. I ask that you do not take away our right to defend ourselves. Support our Second Amendment and I ask that you do not consider any laws that would affect law abiding people. I feel there are very strong views on both sides of the issue. Lets all work together to find and fix the real issue and not use “knee jerk” reactions to strip the rights of law abiding people. Let’s be real and use all this energy on gun control to fix the things that would have true effect on the issues at hand. Do not turn your back on our rights. Do not turn your back on America.
“False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.” Cesare Beccaria, as quoted by Thomas Jefferson's Commonplace book

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No ma'am. - CNN iReport

"Senator Dianne Feinstein,

I will not register my weapons should this bill be passed, as I do not believe it is the government's right to know what I own. Nor do I think it prudent to tell you what I own so that it may be taken from me by a group of people who enjoy armed protection yet decry me having the same a crime. You ma'am have overstepped a line that is not your domain. I am a Marine Corps Veteran of 8 years, and I will not have some woman who proclaims the evil of an inanimate object, yet carries one, tell me I may not have one.

I am not your subject. I am the man who keeps you free. I am not your servant. I am the person whom you serve. I am not your peasant. I am the flesh and blood of America.
I am the man who fought for my country. I am the man who learned. I am an American. You will not tell me that I must register my semi-automatic AR-15 because of the actions of some evil man.

I will not be disarmed to suit the fear that has been established by the media and your misinformation campaign against the American public.

We, the people, deserve better than you..."
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Following is a direct link to the proposed Feinstein weapons ban bill, expected by the NRA-ILA to be introduced on January 22nd...

NRA-ILA | Feinstein's New Gun-Ban Bill Likely to be Introduced January 22
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I think we are on the right track.

1-We need more letters
2-Everyone become a member of NRA and any other gun group. That makes them think in terms of votes. They all want to keep their gravy jobs.
3-We need to be united. How could you arrest 50-60 million people for not doing something? The paperwork would tie the court and the whole system for so long!!
4- We need to keep the pressure on.
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Remember a Black gun will jump out of your hands and kill more than any other finish on a gun. Ban assult rifles and educate Feinstein's fools what they are. Full auto which is basically banned now to a degree. Then fight that later with statistics. How many people have been killed with a full auto in the last ten years?
They should go after who can buy the guns and crack down very hard on anybody that commits a crime with a gun. That might actually result in something.
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A lot of really really good points being made. We have to keep the pressure on all the way through this and beyond. I have been encouraging other people to voice their concern as well. A co worker of mine just started up his own gun business and I was talking with him today about the AWB and he seemed unconcerned that anything would happen at all. This is the mind set we need to change. There is still plenty of people on our side that are not voicing their concern.
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Isn't it amazing how government wants to take away the gun rights of its own people while exporting assault rifles, bombs and missiles to the max...

A government limiting the freedom of its own people is a government which is scared from its own people.
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in DiFi's bill she claims current owner's are grandfathered in w/ their guns...BUT, the first part of her bill stipulates they cannot be transferred...EVER ...so no M1 carbines for the grandkids...no M4 carbines to leave your widow & kids to fend off the Chinese when they come to take our homes because Washington is default on its loan...

no more herritage...no more protection...boy, if that aint Ceasar in a wig!!!

I am writing all my congressman, along w/ all party leaders & Biden (not that he cares about gun owners...he was a leader in the Clinton ban)...

they will disarm "the people" if we don't make them hear us...and the 2nd Amendment AINT about hunting squirels or shooting paper targets...yeah, that goes along w/ it...but it's personal protection FOR THE PEOPLE...ALL THE PEOPLE first & foremost (not just a state sanctioned militia)...it burns me up they keep saying, "oh, you can keep your hunting rifles"...it's not about that!

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