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Texas Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson was the author of the Texas Concealed Carry Law when he was a state senator. I asked Patterson about the proposed change to allow open carry. "There's no reason Texans who have a CHL shouldn't have the option to carry openly, and I support HB 700," Patterson said. "There are dozens of states that allow open carry, even by non CHL holders, without a problem. It would be reassuring to see someone with an unconcealed sidearm and know that by definition, they're not a criminal."

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I don't think carrying openly is very intelligent... but the person who is carrying concealed and has their shirt ride up or jacket blown open should not be facing criminal charges either.
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I don't think carrying openly is very intelligent... but the person who is carrying concealed and has their shirt ride up or jacket blown open should not be facing criminal charges either.
I agree that it's not a good idea tactically, but... I fully support their Right to do so.
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A great way to carry! Even prevented a Waffle House from being robbed here in Georgia due to the fact that the criminals saw a law-abiding citizen simply carrying open. They were observed, questioned, and arrested by police while sitting behind the building waiting for the patron to leave.

I kind of think of it like my doctors visit last week. He now has an unarmed, uniformed guard in the waiting room. If I wanted to do something illegal, he wouldn't deter me more than anyone else. If he were armed, however, I'd think twice. Of course, I know there are many ways to look at open versus concealed carry. I believe the main thing was said above, let's support everyone's right to carry as they feel comfortable.
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Huh, i never knew Texas didnt have an open carry law. Thats crazy because Texas usually has the best laws for handgun owners.

Here in Louisiana we have legal open carry. And we also have CC of course with a permit. So as long as u have a CC permit, u can carry open or concealed. But i really dont see a point in carrying open (in public places), if u already have a CC permit. I always carry open at my camp (a few thousand acres of my private property), but thats about as far as i go with open carry.
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I don't know about around the Metro-Plex....

But, it sure would be handy for folks out on the rural route.



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When I'm out on the road, between home and the border, out in the brush country, I'd rather carry my 19, but it doesn't conceal too easy. I'd like the option.
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Since I've been runnin back and too between Texas and Kentucky,

I see a lot of folks wearing a sidearm of some sort just about everywhere.

In Texas I notice plainclothes officers, off duty officers, Constables, Rangers, Special Rangers, Sheriffs andDeputies....

In the Bluegrass, LEs and farmers, cattlemen and just ordinary folks carry for what ever reason.

And you know I have not heard of the first gun grabbin' or any riots, not neither one.

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I'll have to paraphrase this....One time this woman from back east got off'n the train
and Capt. W.W. 'Bill' Sterling was standing near the depot station,
as the she passed by, Capt. Sterling, he tipped his hat to her.

And She said, 'Sir, there is something about a well dressed man carrying a pistol,
that well, just makes a lady feel alot safer.'

Of course that was back when men were men...And women were damn proud of it.

I know there a few left scattered abouts today....But, we aren't near as thick as we used to be!


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We can only hope. In my part of Texas it is really difficult to carry a pistol of any size fully concealed. Much of the year, the only thing that is comfortable is a t-shirt or lightweight fishing shirt and cut off jeans or burmuda shorts. It's just plain to hot and humid. Even in our couple of months of so-called winter, there is often no need for a jacket or coat. The past week our daytime temps have been in the high 70s.
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I don't think carrying openly is very intelligent... but the person who is carrying concealed and has their shirt ride up or jacket blown open should not be facing criminal charges either.
Well, it didn't take long for the anti-OCers to out themselves.

And speaking of intelligence, why don't you go educate yourself so you can discuss it, you know, intelligently, before you open your mouth.

Start here: The Open Carry Argument

And here: Why Open Carry

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Well, it didn't take long for the anti-OCers to out themselves.

And speaking of intelligence, why don't you go educate yourself so you can discuss it, you know, intelligently, before you open your mouth.

Start here: The Open Carry Argument

And here: Why Open Carry

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Thank you for attacking me. I don't think its the best method for carry, you obviously think different. I should now commence attacking you right?

I HAVE read things on both sides and from personal experience and where I live it IS NOT THE BEST OPTION. And now that anti gun crazies are running everywhere theres a lot of places where it would be just plain STUPID to open carry.

Anti open carry? Not really. I would feel comfortable seeing someone else doing it but I do not like drawing attention to my self. I DON'T want to be confronted by law enforcement, and I DON'T want to be confronted by random idiots who don't agree with my beliefs. The same reason I don't have NRA stickers on my home or car and I don't wear shirts or signs telling people my religion. The less people know... the better.

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I live in a small town in a rural county. I don't see a major problem where I live. The sheriff deputies and town cops are not the types that would get upset about open carry, unless you were acting out. Downtown San Antonio, Austin, Dallas/Ft. Worth or Houston might be a different story, at least at first. Thankfully, Texas is full of small towns and rural, and people that don't get the vapors at the sight of a firearm.
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Funny,
there sure are a lot of cowboy movies about our country and they open carried... Our countries history is full of people that open carried... from what I can observe, it looks like it became politically incorrect post WWI, especially in the big urban areas...

just an out loud observance,

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I probably would not open carry because it may cause someone to target me first by surprise to take my pistol. Conceal carry allows me to have the benefit of surprise. Being from Texas I will stand behind the right of any Texan or any law abiding American to carry anything they want to strap on or shoulder. Back in my 20's I did not understand give an inch they will take a mile and now that I am longer in tooth I have a new understanding of how people especially opponents to 2a do not understand or will not understand boundaries.
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Texas Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson was the author of the Texas Concealed Carry Law when he was a state senator. I asked Patterson about the proposed change to allow open carry. "There's no reason Texans who have a CHL shouldn't have the option to carry openly, and I support HB 700," Patterson said. "There are dozens of states that allow open carry, even by non CHL holders, without a problem. It would be reassuring to see someone with an unconcealed sidearm and know that by definition, they're not a criminal."

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One can only hope sanity prevails and they do NOT vote to allow the general public to strut around carrying AR-15's and Barrett Light 50's.

Concealed carry is AMPLE for anyone who is genuinely interested in self-defense. "Open carry" is all about public intimidation and bullying. Why am I NOT surprised that Tejas is considering it...
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This group holds events to demonstrate some of the current open carry allowances in the State.

Open Carry Texas

and this site is a decent "quick view" of Texas gun law

https://www.texaslawshield.com/portal/texas-gun-law/
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What's really counter intuitive is that many of the changes began post Civil War, the period of the "wild west". Putting movies aside, many Towns required you to relinquish your firearms to the local authorities while "in Town".

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One can only hope sanity prevails and they do NOT vote to allow the general public to strut around carrying AR-15's and Barrett Light 50's.

Concealed carry is AMPLE for anyone who is genuinely interested in self-defense. "Open carry" is all about public intimidation and bullying. Why am I NOT surprised that Tejas is considering it...
As a Second Amendment supporter, I stand with and applaud ANY state that passes legislation to advance and protect the rights of ALL law abiding gun owners. The only "surprising" thing to me is that TEXAS is one of the last few remaining states NOT to have some form of "open carry". I conceal and always will, but I will not belittle anyone for carrying any way they choose if they are legally able to do so. I hadn't really thought much about the topic of "open carry", but now that I have I see it in a little different light. Its really not about doing it, but having the legal right to do it if thats your choice. Here's a U.S. open carry map for anyone who hasn't already seen one. Open Carry | OpenCarry.org
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Texas and Florida have the same type of law. Unfortunately if someone spots your gun, even by accident, you can be charged with brandishing. Am "open carry" provision would eliminate that. It's not so much to promote open carry as it is to keep people carrying concealed from getting jammed up.
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Texas and Florida have the same type of law. Unfortunately if someone spots your gun, even by accident, you can be charged with brandishing. Am "open carry" provision would eliminate that. It's not so much to promote open carry as it is to keep people carrying concealed from getting jammed up.
As of the last legislative session inadvertent showing of your gun is not a violation of the law in Texas.
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Why would should open carry be illegal in the first place. 2nd says bear arms not hide arms. In Montana you don't need any kind of permit to open carry. Only thing you need a permit for is to carry concealed UPON YOUR PERSON in town. A gun in your cars glove compartment isn't a concealed weapon here and if your outside the city limits they could care less how you carry your guns.
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IF legal open carry were tied to having a CCW permit, I still don't see how you'd know someone carrying openly was not a criminal any more than if you saw the flash of a "concealed" weapon under the hoodie of a thug who, presumably isn't carrying concealed legally.

I can see how that would apply if open carry were allowed without a permit. But I'm not sure that I'd want to be driving through an iffy area seeing thugs legally carrying openly. Of course they'd likely be criminals who shouldn't own a gun anyway, but how would you (or an LEO) know?

In states with open carry not requiring a permit, how do police deal with that?
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Especially oxymoronic ones. Why take the class/ spend the time & $ for a license to conceal, IF YOU WANT TO OPEN CARRY? Perhaps they can come up with a new class/license/ fees/set of new laws for open carry and further get us on their list? (sarcasm, kinda). NOT GONNA take sides on the whole CC vs OC debate. Never mind the REAL & MORE SERIOUS issues this country is facing, let's nit pic & waste more $ legislating the minutia.
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Concealed carry is AMPLE for anyone who is genuinely interested in self-defense. "Open carry" is all about public intimidation and bullying. Why am I NOT surprised that Tejas is considering it...

Sir. With attitudes like yours, why am I not surprised that Kalifornia has the gun laws they do.

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What's really counter intuitive is that many of the changes began post Civil War, the period of the "wild west". Putting movies aside, many Towns required you to relinquish your firearms to the local authorities while "in Town".
From what I've read, this wasn't rare in the old west. In fact, gun control was the cause of the gunfight at the ok corral, probably the most famous of all the old west gunfights.

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Concealed carry is AMPLE for anyone who is genuinely interested in self-defense. "Open carry" is all about public intimidation and bullying. Why am I NOT surprised that Tejas is considering it...
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One can only hope sanity prevails...
This has to win the prize for most ironic post...for any resident of California to refer to "sanity" in gun legislation is laughable at best. That you then go on to disrespect Texas is not in the least bit funny. It doesn't surprise me that Texas is once again considering open carry...what does surprise me is that we don't already have it.

I don't know if I would carry openly or not...but it would be nice to have the freedom to do so legally if I chose. The 2A didn't say "keep and bear concealed arms." Personally, if I was planning some mayhem and saw someone carrying a gun, I'd avoid them at all costs! Others feel it makes them a target...maybe I don't have a criminal mind, but armed people are not going to be the ones I choose to rob, etc.
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Interesting...the map shows that California does allow rural open carry. I haven't read the laws, so I don't know if it requires a permit.
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Geeeesh.... every time a pro-gun law comes up you can always count on some gun owners to start handwringing and sounding like Sarah Brady.

Legal open carry for permit holders is not a problem. In Tennessee we have a Handgun Carry Permit. It allows the permit holder to carry a handgun, period, open or concealed. There are over 400,000 of us. We're doing just fine here. Most everyone chooses to carry concealed anyway, so relax and support Texas legalizing open carry.

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I think it will pass without problem - I hope so. I've had my CC permit since 1996, and will continue to carry concealed, and it will be nice to not have to worry about the possibility of exposing it. However, there is a group of open carry supporters that have been demonstrating in areas of the Dallas/Ft Worth area that has been getting some negative media attention because people are seeing men and women walking around intersections carrying their AK and AR weapons slung over their shoulders. I know the message they're trying to relay, and I agree, but they're not reflective of the vast majority of CC holders. My impression is that they are only trying to draw attention to themselves, not the real issue/goal. They're also the ones that I'd feel somewhat uncomfortable being around in a open carry environment.
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Sir, you are in the right place. Please maintain your residence there....please give Nancy and Barbara regards....you will recognize real bullying when you see them.
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I don't think carrying openly is very intelligent... but the person who is carrying concealed and has their shirt ride up or jacket blown open should not be facing criminal charges either.
Intelligence may include correct information. You are both mis informed regarding the law in Texas, and you are making a judgement of many responsible and intelligent persons you do not know.
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IF legal open carry were tied to having a CCW permit, I still don't see how you'd know someone carrying openly was not a criminal any more than if you saw the flash of a "concealed" weapon under the hoodie of a thug who, presumably isn't carrying concealed legally.

I can see how that would apply if open carry were allowed without a permit. But I'm not sure that I'd want to be driving through an iffy area seeing thugs legally carrying openly. Of course they'd likely be criminals who shouldn't own a gun anyway, but how would you (or an LEO) know?

In states with open carry not requiring a permit, how do police deal with that?

It's been my long time observation that the criminal element among us does not use holsters on a regular basis.

No self respecting criminal wants to be caught with an empty holster right after ditchin his gat...
Whilest fleeing their most resent criminal activity......

As a matter of fact, just yesterday, I personally observed a young man come into a kinda fast-food joint with his young bride in tow....
I made it a point to complement him on his choice of sidearm (1911) and holster. By the way, either it was not even noticed or no one cared....

Kentucky has always had open carry, and I see lots of folks carrying a sidearm with no disturbance to the public at large.

If and when Texas revises it's firearm laws to reflect her citizens life and times,
I believe we'll see more law biding - honest folks carrying their sidearm out side their pants.


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Rule 1 - the accidental revelation of a handgun that was concealed legally by a CHL holder is no longer grounds for arrest. Texas changed that a couple of years ago.
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Rule 2 - Texas has long had open carry under certain exceptions to its general rule that no handgun can be carried.
First, start off understanding that there is no general open carry in Texas and has not been for a very long time. The statute, in pertinent part, reads as follows:

Sec. 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun, ... if the person is not:

(1) on the person's own premises or premises under the person's control; or

(2) inside of or directly en route to a motor vehicle or watercraft that is owned by the person or under the person's control.

(a-1) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun in a motor vehicle or watercraft that is owned by the person or under the person's control at any time in which:

(1) the handgun is in plain view; or


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That's where start.

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Sec. 46.15. NONAPPLICABILITY.

(a) Sections 46.02 and 46.03 do not apply to:



(B) authorized to carry a weapon under Section 76.0051, Government Code;



(b) Section 46.02 does not apply to a person who:



(2) is traveling;

(3) is engaging in lawful hunting, fishing, or other sporting activity on the immediate premises where the activity is conducted, or is en route between the premises and the actor's residence, motor vehicle, or watercraft, if the weapon is a type commonly used in the activity;


(6) is carrying a concealed handgun and a valid license issued under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, to carry a concealed handgun;

The bright red text defines the current law that allows open carry. Those are basically defenses to prosecution, however, they are not full permission to open carry. I have often open carried while hunting, for instance, even though I was also carrying a rifle.

"Traveling" is not defined in the statute. A lot of old timers, probably some younguns, too, think it means crossing through a couple of counties. It does not. It has been defined in case law by the courts as staying out overnight. Why? Because it's OLD LAW and back in the day you always stayed out at night if you traveled anywhere because after a certain distance you and your horse were NOT making it back home before dark. Again, it is a defense to prosecution only, not full permission to open carry.

Someone wondered about the "old days". Well, besides the inability to go anywhere and not stay out overnight, wearing a gun openly was the norm, even though lots of towns had ordinances prohibiting the practice. Think about all those movies and TV shows where the marshal or sheriff has guys leaving their guns in their hotels or in the lawman's office - this was also a common practice but probably often disregarded. That didn't make it legal.

So, that's just a quick summary of the current state of the law in Texas in re open carry. We don't need open carry in Texas to save the poor CHL holder whose firearm is accidentally exposed.

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Rule 1 - the accidental revelation of a handgun that was concealed legally by a CHL holder is no longer grounds for arrest. Texas changed that a couple of years ago.
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Rule 2 - Texas has long had open carry under certain exceptions to its general rule that no handgun can be carried.
First, start off understanding that there is no general open carry in Texas and has not been for a very long time. The statute, in pertinent part, reads as follows:

Sec. 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun, ... if the person is not:

(1) on the person's own premises or premises under the person's control; or

(2) inside of or directly en route to a motor vehicle or watercraft that is owned by the person or under the person's control.

(a-1) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun in a motor vehicle or watercraft that is owned by the person or under the person's control at any time in which:

(1) the handgun is in plain view; or


......
That's where start.

Then you get to this, also in pertinent part:

Sec. 46.15. NONAPPLICABILITY.

(a) Sections 46.02 and 46.03 do not apply to:



(B) authorized to carry a weapon under Section 76.0051, Government Code;



(b) Section 46.02 does not apply to a person who:



(2) is traveling;

(3) is engaging in lawful hunting, fishing, or other sporting activity on the immediate premises where the activity is conducted, or is en route between the premises and the actor's residence, motor vehicle, or watercraft, if the weapon is a type commonly used in the activity;


(6) is carrying a concealed handgun and a valid license issued under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, to carry a concealed handgun;

The bright red text defines the current law that allows open carry. Those are basically defenses to prosecution, however, they are not full permission to open carry. I have often open carried while hunting, for instance, even though I was also carrying a rifle.

"Traveling" is not defined in the statute. A lot of old timers, probably some younguns, too, think it means crossing through a couple of counties. It does not. It has been defined in case law by the courts as staying out overnight. Why? Because it's OLD LAW and back in the day you always stayed out at night if you traveled anywhere because after a certain distance you and your horse were NOT making it back home before dark. Again, it is a defense to prosecution only, not full permission to open carry.

Someone wondered about the "old days". Well, besides the inability to go anywhere and not stay out overnight, wearing a gun openly was the norm, even though lots of towns had ordinances prohibiting the practice. Think about all those movies and TV shows where the marshal or sheriff has guys leaving their guns in their hotels or in the lawman's office - this was also a common practice but probably often disregarded. That didn't make it legal.

So, that's just a quick summary of the current state of the law in Texas in re open carry. We don't need open carry in Texas to save the poor CHL holder whose firearm is accidentally exposed.

Whether we need it at all is a whole nuthuh smoke, my friends, and I'll discuss that at some other time.

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I mentioned some time last week about watching a special about spring round-up on the o6 ranch in the Alpine vicinity it was a two week deal...Cowboys from all over showed up for the job. The special was about the late Waylon Jennings working the round-up...No fancy stuff just plan old collecting, branding, separating and shipping over thousands of acres.....never saw one gun wore by anyone...were there a gun or two in the chuck wagon I'm sure just in case of, dangerous critters. and maybe dispatching a lame animal on occasion....Just saying that is what the special showed....Neat special I think a bunch here would like it...Look up Waylon Jennings,,,My Hero's Have always been cowboys,,,runs 48 minutes....
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AND is interested in the Constitution. "Shall not be infringed" means just that.

Your Kalifornia is showing...especially the "K" part...
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Open carry is also for attention seeking wimps. "Look at me! I must be a Real Man because I have a gun!"
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Open carry is also for attention seeking wimps. "Look at me! I must be a Real Man because I have a gun!"
On what do you base this? Maybe you should associate with different people.

This issue really brings out some strange responses regarding handgun ownership and self defense....
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He looks at me curiously, I said "I did not want to be arrested by some small town hick cop because I was carrying my shooting iron while eating my grits".

He laughed pretty good at my comment, since HE was the ONLY Law Enforcement Officer for the town!!!!
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I wish this effort was put into allowing people to carry without a permit. I find it offensive that I need permission to exercise a RIGHT.
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Open carry is also for attention seeking wimps. "Look at me! I must be a Real Man because I have a gun!"


It really amazes me about some people. For all their blather about guns and carry, they just don't get it.

Let me explain once again!!!


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Open carry is also for attention seeking wimps. "Look at me! I must be a Real Man because I have a gun!"

Oh Yeah..........Yur right, right there!!!

I work with a bunch of them guys!!!

All dressed up in all them 5-11 pants and polo shirts,

or pleated pants, button down collars, cheap ties and suits....

Them plain clothes detectives.....just a bunch of show-offs!



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Now Texas is one of ONLY SIX states prohibiting open carry of handguns.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but at any rate or definition of "open carry" the Lone Star State is one of the FEW. So how is it that one can be "not surprised" that Texas would consider it, short of ignorance. (that means lack of knowledge, which is different from stupidity).

The attitude that "all not prohibited shall be compulsory" is exactly what we seek to avoid. The "pro choice" advocates should certainly understand that.
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What amazes me is that Texas isn't an open carry state in the first place.
Next it amazes me that this law would only cover those with a permit.
I thought Texas was a gun friendly state. From where I stand its not even close.
Sorry Texans. I know how proud you guys are of Texas but it isn't even close to Montana.
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Point taken, steelslaver.
When studying Texas history, one will see that due to a large and populated international border, with way more hostilities than more isolated/ insulated states a lot of "common practice allowances" made restrictions a sort of moot point. We've always been open carry long gun, and a handgun in the glovebox was very normal and not a problem with law enforcement until only recently (though not illegal).
This state has grown in population and the common practice allowances were changed by the immigrants from less self reliant states, and immigrants from foreign nations unfamiliar with our customs. Montana and some other states have had a much less convoluted road. we're tryin'.
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