For now, I am against universal background checks

[jaykellogg]

Ar anyone who has been paying attention knows there is a push right now for additional gun control. The anti gun people lay in wait until some evil person commits an atrocity. This inflames "public opinion" that "something needs to be done" and while they feel the political power is in their court they try and ban something firearm related. One of the pushes right now is the universal background check. This sounds innocent enough, after all we are all aware that there are people who should not be allowed to even handle a loaded gun. However nothing is being done to identify those people. This proposed law would make a federal background check mandatory for all gun sales (and potentially ammo sales). If it were done at the Federal level it would create registration. The concerns I have are 1) if you pass a background check you are identified as a gun owner. That could be used to get a search warrant or perhaps the law would be written to allow the Federal government to "inspect" your guns without a warrent. If you have a FFL they already have that "right". If you own a class III, same here. Obviously, these laws would only apply to law abiding citizens. If a gun is stolen or bought through a straw purchase the records would be missing or in error.

The 2nd concern I have is all the recent atrocities were committed by people we would call crazy. (Insane is a legal term). There is a push back among the medical community regarding identifying crazy people. Several of the recent shooters were able to pass background checks and one stole his mothers legally owned guns.

In summary, why should we responsible gun owners be inconvenienced by a potentially confiscatory gun check that will not catch the folks committing these atrocities? Please remember, the worst school killing in the USA was committed with dynamite in 1927 in Bath, Mi.

Remember of all the gun murders in the USA the least are committed by rifles. More are committed with Shotguns that the Vice President says will not be banned. Handguns are by far the most. Also, in spite of the fact that these kinds of killings are repeated over and over in the news, they are relatively rare.

One of the biggest factors in gun homicides are crack babies growing up without conflict resolution skills and without any empathy for fellow human beings.

Last, the gun homicide rate has been going down in the USA in the last 50 years. Some of the locations with the most restrictive laws have the highest gun homicide rates. Conversely, some of the places with the most lax restrictions have very low homicide rates.

[keith44spl]

universal background checks.........


That just applies to this universe...Right?

What's next?

Everyone gonna get a chip implant....


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When are folks going to realize that all this is not about one's rights, it's about elimination of said rights.

It's the start of a 'New America' for all.

An utopia where we all live in peace and harmony under the watchful eye of fema.

When they get all those evil guns outta the hands of citizens and patriots....

Why, it'll be rainbow stew and free bubble-up everyday! Right?

Look under the smoke and passed the mirrows...

Take the long view and a hard look, at what's going on behind the curtain...Back stage.


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[NFrameFred]

Originally Posted by keith44spl

universal background checks.........

Take the long view and a hard look, at what's going on behind the curtain...Back stage.


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Too much work and critical thinking for the masses these days, Dave. Cooper decried the 'Age Of The Common Man'. What we see is what we get when the quality of the 'common man' has been dumbed down, emasculated, and made dependent on someone else for his sustenance, safety, and well being. Too many are in charge now that pass for a 'man' these days that have no concept of what that actually entails. Even if they were willing to try, they've been denied the knowledge and the tools, and it appears the natural instinct is being bred out of them. Too many fatherless homes for starters . . .

[venomballistics]

on an average day the existing NICS check takes what ... 5 minutes?
What they propose would be similar to purchase of an NFA weapon that'll take months
fight it

[troutjunkie]

I buy alot of my guns from individuals, very rarely do I purchase a new gun, or want to pay mark up on a used gun. To require background checks on purchases from individuals will be impossible to enforce, they admit they can't even enforce the current laws on the books..I don't think the government has any right to know what and how many guns I have!!! Can you imagine having to do a background check to purchase ammo???!!!

[Bat Guano]

For some odd reason, it's always about CONTROL...

"The preachers and the teachers and the mothers of this land
They'd all like to mold you and shape you
And help you be a man
All you've got to do
Is sign on that same old dotted line"

[keith44spl]

Originally Posted by Bat Guano

For some odd reason, it's always about CONTROL...

"The preachers and the teachers and the mothers of this land
They'd all like to mold you and shape you
And help you be a man
All you've got to do
Is sign on that same old dotted line"

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Yup,

Cause, a few ain't got no self control !!!


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[Comrad]

Get used to it, it's happening and not just for guns. Want a job today, get ready to pee in a cup, have a credit check done and submit to a background check. Welcome to America.

[beemerphile]

Originally Posted by troutjunkie

...To require background checks on purchases from individuals will be impossible to enforce,

Correction: It would be impossible to enforce WITHOUT REGISTRATION OF ALL FIREARMS


The problem with their "Common Sense measures" is that their proponents lie. EXAMPLE: We don't want "terrorists" (best current word for scary people) to have guns, right? Heck, that is just COMMON SENSE. So, let's deny anyone on the "Terrorist Watch List" from having a gun. That's COMMON SENSE, but:

1) The people on this list have committed no crime
2) The list will have errors with no method of correcting it
3) You may be on the list and not know it
4) It could be a crime for a prohibited person to TRY to buy a gun
5) You go to buy a gun and find out (by being arrested) that you are on the list
6) The Attorney General can put anyone on the list that he wants to without any qualifying requirements
7) The current Attorney General is Fast and Furious and EVERY Attorney General is politically aligned with the party in the White House.

Well, surely we don't want MENTALLY ILL people on the list, do we? Well if a well meaning doctor prescribed Ritalin to your child for ADD, he has been treated for mental illness. Do you want that to follow him forever? What if you took Ritalin for narcolepsy and it gets tagged as Mental Illness?

Knowing their intentions is more instructive than listening to their words.

[keith44spl]

If anyones want an example of how well gov't controls works....

Let's jest look at the Methamphetamine drug trade..........

Well, it's illegal most places...One of the key ingredient is ephedrine, right?

An over the counter common cold treatments like let's say pseudoephrine works
to relive the symptoms of the common cold pruty good.

Well, let's jest say, it also is liked by the local meth cook as well.

Seeing that something had to be done!
We required druggist to keep pseudoephrine behind the counter,
as to discourage folks from picking and choosing from the cold med shelf.

Well, that didn't slow it down much a tall.
Then, we limit it to two packages per purchase.

Still didn't make much of a differance..........

So now, ya got to go see a Doctor and get a prescription (read; permission slip)
to get something that is now controled...You are recorded to that sale as well.

Just because persons outside the law mis-used it!


Sound like the brightest and sharpest minds of our time....Are on the job.



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[atheophilos]

Never thought about it this way but on person said...

Universal background checks equals universal registration which provides for universal confiscation.