Is It Time To Contact My Attorney?

[Marine Corps Air]

I'd like to have some of the other forum members opinions on this question. It just doesn't smell right to me. However, I could be wrong.

It's time for the old annual check up and my doctor sent out the five pages of non-sensical questions. It's a brand new questionnaire this year. This year there's a new area entitled "Personal Safety" with two questions:

1. Do you wear seatbelts? - Always, Often, Occasionally, Never

and then there's the question,

2. Do you have firearms in your home? Yes or No If yes, are they kept locked up?

I'm not at all comfortable with that second question, especially since I don't know who will see my responses. I also am on "Obama Care" and have no idea who might have access to this information, especially from a FOIA request.

Is this the new standard for doctors to ask?

[SMSgt]

Technically, they are not required to ask, and you most certainly are not required to answer.

[Buffalohunter60]

Diddo...I would not answer either question...its simpy, none of their business. Your health is their business...your guns are not.

[Comrad]

Everybody lies to their doctors about how much they drink, smoke, fried **** they eat, how much salt they use, how much they exercise, gun ownership should be no different.
They like to come up with a when you are going to die guess based on all the risk factors.

[66Park]

NONE of their damned business.

[Sprefix]

Ditto here....no answers would be given by me........

[raveneap]

I agree, not appropriate questions for you doctor to be asking. However, I have found that, other than thst, the older you get, the less you'll lie to your doctor.

[HankG]

When I was a kid, I was taught that one should never tell a lie...George Washington story.... As I learned later in life, you have to really look at who's asking the questions and what reverberations your answers will have.

Honor does not dictate behaving like a child when living in an adult world.

When your wife asks you if you think she looks fat in a particular dress, what is your answer and why are you giving it?

[VMaxSplat]

Tell your doctor to mind his own business.

[Sebago Son]

This is the new CDC regimen as implemented by Presidential Mandate right after New Town.

I would simply reply "NOYFB" on the form work.

If they ask what that is short for, just look at them and smile...

[vytoland]

would I answer these questions?........Not now...Not ever!!!

[calmex]

Not living in the U.S., my answer is probably "unqualified", but down here, we'd just lie and say "no" and that would be it. What are they going to do? Come and check up on you? And if later on, even only a few weeks later, it somehow comes up that you have a safe full of guns....

"I just bought those. And the safe." ....or....

"I just inherited those. And the safe." ....or....

"...any new variations on the theme."

Obviously, if you answer "yes" to the question, they have information on you they can potentially misuse. If you answer "no", they lose that little edge they might have had over you, and it's something that's pretty deniable.

If you get caught, it's the old "...act surprised, show concern, deny, deny, deny."

I've been living in Mexico a long time and don't think twice about lying to someone who is obviously trying to pull something on me for their own ends. Back in Canada I'd have felt sort of bad about it but after 22 years down here...well, you can figure it out.

[COL Jagdog]

Here's a thought:

Prepare a questionaire for your doctor to answer:

How often does he drink, have sex each week, does he get honorariums from pharmaceutical companies, what is the incidence of MRSA infections in the hospitals he has priviliges in, and if he is a contract employee of a hospital or medical group, ask him to share with you the details of any incentives or bonus plans under his contract and what he has to do to earn such incentives or bonuses --
(trust me on this one, they all have such a plan if they are contract employees, I just mediated a case involving this issue) -- he will clam up.

My guess is that your doc is probably a pretty good guy -- just ask him to stick to the Hippocratic principles and you will continue to pay him for his services (thru your medical provider).

Under no circumstances would I answer those questions.

What's next: will he want to know how many toasters you own or LCD TV's or how many dogs -- Holy cow

[MurphyPr]

I would honestly answer both questions.

My answer to the first question would be "Irrelevant".

My answer to the second question would be "Confidential".

[66Park]

Originally Posted by Sebago Son

This is the new CDC regimen as implemented by Presidential Mandate right after New Town.

I would simply reply "NOYFB" on the form work.

If they ask what that is short for, just look at them and smile...

Or just write "N/A," as in "this is not applicable to me because I have constitutional rights."

[CAJUNLAWYER]

It's always time to contact your attorney.

Bring your checkbook

BTW the correct answer to question #1 is "23" and to #2 the answers are "Rameses II" and if yes "Thorazine".

[LoboGunLeather]

I recently received an e-mail on this subject containing the following:

Here is what the law says--taken directly from the Affordable Care Act:”

‘‘(1) WELLNESS AND PREVENTION PROGRAMS.—A wellness and health promotion activity implemented under subsection (a)(1)(D) may not require the disclosure or collection of any information relating to—
‘‘(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully-possessed firearm or ammunition in the residence or on the property of an individual; or
‘‘(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition by an individual.

‘‘(2) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION.—None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the collection of any information relating to—
‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition;
‘‘(B) the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition; or
‘‘(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition.

“You may verify this at: http://housedocs.house.gov/energycommerce/ppacacon.pdf
http://housedocs.house.gov/energycommerce/ppacacon.pdf>
Obamacare Amendment Does Not Forbid Gun and Ammo Registration | Wizbang .”

[wheelgun28]

I would just write what is a gun?

If I had one why would I secure it?

[Arik]

Im not a lawyer nor do i play one on tv but i would answer only whats relevant.



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[maddog909]

As long as you haven't signed a oath on the bible prior to answering these weird health questions you are under no obligation to answer them relative to non health issues. Not sure what's happening in the world of medicine but this is "*****".

[tlay]

Just answer like we did in the military, this is my rifle and this is my gun, this is for shooting and this is for fun!

[sophie]

The questions have nothing to do with health care treatment. I haven't seen these questions yet on any forms but have been hearing about them. I can't see where they would apply and my answer would be the same thing. None of your business sounds kind of rude even though it is the truth. The fact that we own guns or don't own guns is not any of their concern.

_________
James

[Buffalohunter60]

You could also write down..."Why do you ask?"

[silentflyer]

A simple "none of your dammed business"...

[jfd]

I'm an anesthetist, have worked in healthcare about 40 yrs, many of my physician friends, like me, are very much pro 2A, many are very active hunters, many have CC permits....and many are pretty PO'd at the anti- gun stance the AMA and some other professional medical associations have been pushing quite vocally. I've seen this issue of questions of this sort being routinely directed to all pts when seen by their physician a lot in the last few years. It came up on a form with my personal physician of 10+ yrs last year, I told him I didn't really think it was any of his business and if he had a problem with me not answering it, I'd gladly find a new physician. He said he understood and accepted my choice to not answer it...end of situation. Knowing how some physicians are though, I'm sure some would be personally offended by such an attitude. To me, thats their problem, not mine and I'll find a new physician if that is the case. Or, as others have suggested, you could choose to answer the question "inaccurately". It is an interesting, and somewhat concerning and intrusive direction that healthcare and physicians are taking.

[vikgorr]

Originally Posted by BSeabrooke

I'd like to have some of the other forum members opinions on this question. It just doesn't smell right to me. However, I could be wrong.

It's time for the old annual check up and my doctor sent out the five pages of non-sensical questions. It's a brand new questionnaire this year. This year there's a new area entitled "Personal Safety" with two questions:

1. Do you wear seatbelts? - Always, Often, Occasionally, Never

and then there's the question,

2. Do you have firearms in your home? Yes or No If yes, are they kept locked up?

I'm not at all comfortable with that second question, especially since I don't know who will see my responses. I also am on "Obama Care" and have no idea who might have access to this information, especially from a FOIA request.

Is this the new standard for doctors to ask?

Just curious. How many attorneys will you hire if you decide to protect The Constitution from the tyrants with a real gun and the live ammo?
As to the questionnaire answers:
Seat belt - yes, might help you keep the cost down.
Guns - no, no point to help Big Brother with another database, which is the waste of tax money on one end and the precursor to the treasonous violation of The Constitution on the other.
Alcohol - no (since the last recorded instance). If you had to deal with DUI, than you know that one beer a week makes you an alcoholic, and no drinking at all makes you an alcoholic in denial. But it's OK to become abstinent after court appointed treatment. My bet is that alcoholics will end up flagged on comprehensive background check.
Tobacco - no (since the last recorded instance). That's just to keep the numbers low, not to give our servants the idea that they get another windfall with the next sales tax increase.
Questionnaire is not your doctor's idea, they just do what HMO tells 'em to. (Unless you have enough money for the free from HMO doctor). And the HMOs are in the business of denying medical care. I'm 64+ and my last "complete physical examination" still consisted of a blood test and a finger up my butt. Thanks God for Internet, it helped me to get sinus surgery out of my HMO, my doctor would have kept feeding me o/c motion sickness pills till I died.
I wish, everyone just forgot their obedience training. Doesn't our Constitution (the best ever) tells us not to abide unconstitutional laws? "Cold dead hands"? Now, what do our attorneys think about that one?

[HereSinceTheLongHunters]

I agree with "N/A" as the universal, neutral, does Not Apply answer.
Its not a lie.
Its not an insult.
There are some serious issues behind those questions that may impact your insurance coverage, legal or potential victim status and therefore shouldn't be answered lightly.

[OSYM8113]

Why not just circle "no" and send them merrily on their way? We can play their game and still come out on top.

[EvilBetty]

I took my daughter in for her yearly checkup, and instead of finding this question on a form in the waiting room, I got hit up with it in person during her exam.

I caught me off guard, and with my daughter sitting there I realized I couldn't lie, I said yes. Feeling rather indignant about it. Next question was "do you keep them locked up", of course was a yes. That was the end of it.

Was still pretty pissed it was even asked, but it was inline with a bunch of other questions that were similar. "Do you own a trampoline, a dog, a swimming pool."

[Etemmu]

Just answer the questions the same way politicians answer them and all will be well. By the time you form various subcommittees to research and define the various meanings of terms (such as "guns") the doc will be confounded and just collect answers to the easy questions (Do you have asthma, for example)

[125JHP]

Being evasive with N/A or NYDB etc just raises a red flag that calls attention to the question and your sensitivity to answering it, which they could interpret it as a 'yes' but that you don't want to answer.

There are lies and then there are damn lies. I follow Nancy's advice and just say No and they are none the wiser.

[DigiRebel]

Originally Posted by 125JHP

Being evasive with N/A or NYDB etc just raises a red flag that calls attention to the question and your sensitivity to answering it, which they could interpret it as a 'yes' but that you don't want to answer.

There are lies and then there are damn lies. I follow Nancy's advice and just say No and they are none the wiser.

Beat me to it. But, yeah always a no.

My wife and I discussed this the other day she had both kids in for the pediatrician and said it wasn't asked. I have an appointment tomorrow and am likely to get one of these questionnaires (whether it'll have the questions we'll see).

[PlainsDrifter]

Originally Posted by EvilBetty

I took my daughter in for her yearly checkup, and instead of finding this question on a form in the waiting room, I got hit up with it in person during her exam.

I caught me off guard, and with my daughter sitting there I realized I couldn't lie, I said yes. Feeling rather indignant about it. "

Oh My God. You got the "In Person form of the question"?
We've enjoyed your participation in the forum.
I'm very sorry

[DigiRebel]

Originally Posted by DigiRebel

Beat me to it. But, yeah always a no.

My wife and I discussed this the other day she had both kids in for the pediatrician and said it wasn't asked. I have an appointment tomorrow and am likely to get one of these questionnaires (whether it'll have the questions we'll see).

Saw my Doc today. He didn't ask me, so I asked what was the deal. He said that when he finds out that people are new parents he's been known to ask. He doesn't record it anywhere, its just verbal. He says that really his only concern is that you discuss gun safety with the little ones and that you keep the guns locked up so the kids can't get access.

I think ultimately that's what MOST of these questions are about. The Pediatricians especially, if they ask about whether you have a pool at the same time they are asking about guns, its USUALLY because they are only worried for the child's safety. (If they ask guns but not pool there is an issue because kids are 100 times more likely to die in a swimming accident than to a gun.)

If you're worried answer no you don't have any.

[LeeVance]

We havent even SEEN the level of what questions and actions that probably are coming in an effort to study / reduce firearm violence/accidents.

Current Admins Executive Orders that were signed allow "safety gathering info" re: firearms as well, and they basically are laws without congressional approval. An EO is a very powerful Executive tool. Say if CDC&P was tasked with the study, since they also are mandated to "Prevent" (the P in their name now... ) and they concluded the "study" they can advise for implement plans/policy to reduce accidents in the home...

These recent EO slipped right on through the community, it seems.

Say they come out with conclusion that : we surveyed patients with firearms in the home and data suggests that injuries can be reduced by ___% but they have to be in a locked safe, and due to medical costs of accidents and injuries associated with firearms by non compliant firearm owners linked to accidents, ALL firearm owners must now carry liability insurance....*I really feel this one is coming.

Hardly any discussion of the 23 EO's that came down;

Gun Violence Reduction Executive Actions:

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make itwidely available to law enforcement.

11. Nominate an ATF director.

12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effectiveuse of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to developinnovative technologies.

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

LINK TO 2013 EO PER FORBES ARTICLE:http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickunga...the-president/

[badguybuster]

Lord have mercy. It never ends

[wogentry]

Quite frankly I'd just lie and say no. Upon my retirement from the military I closely reviewed my medical records and discovered that they may have well been written by lawyers. I noticed that whenever I disagreed with the doctor, or felt that a question was out of line ( and yes they did ask the firearm question one year) and objected to it, their narrative cast me in a very unfavorable light. Thus with all this controversy concerning gun control, Obamacare, Access to medical records etc. I choose to just simply say no and move on. It isn't like the Doc does house calls anymore.

[BobC357]

I would NOT answer ANY of the questions on some form. I've tossed their "surveys" into the trash on more than one occaision (the entire survey form) and have still been able to see the doc.

[4x4moses]

Originally Posted by MurphyPr

I would honestly answer both questions.

My answer to the first question would be "Irrelevant".

My answer to the second question would be "Confidential".

BEST RESPONSE I'VE SEEN!

[nrowensby]

FWIW: My pediatrician asked this question when my daughter was born in March of 2008 (GWB-admin)...

[hdougn]

I would write "pound sand", although I really like NOYFB.

[ga6693]

Another common survey question asks if you have ever suffered from depression and if you take anti-depressants. Heard a news report that one state is already revoking the carry license of everyone taking anti-depressants.

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