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12-07-2013, 05:04 PM
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Hey guys.. Saw something today that I had no idea was even in the works. Read some responses.. Just wanted to get some of your own thoughts on this. Doe Run Company, the last lead smelter in the United States will be closing its operations by the end of this year because it can not meet environmental regulation enacted by the EPA.
Here it is from the horse's mouth
Herculaneum Smelter Closure
Here, a different horse discusses the implications of this with
respect to the ammunition market in this country
Backdoor gun control is here: no lead means no bullets | Allen B. West - AllenBWest.comAllen B. West ? AllenBWest.com
And here is a guy who rebuffs Mr. West's position.
Allen West is wrong? Closing of lead smelting plant will not increase cost of ammo | Radio Vice Online
Is this much ado about nothing? Or is it yet another chip at the 2nd? I understand that some people were getting lead poisoning in the town where this company runs its operation, so I can't say I'm entirely opposed to this.. Wouldn't want a lead smelter in my back yard.. Still, all of that government buying up, hoarding millions of rounds of ammunition over the last couple of years starts to ring a little clearer now.. Any thoughts?
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12-07-2013, 11:07 PM
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Was that a stupid question? Or do people just not have thoughts on it? I'm still fairly new to this whole thing, recent transplant from NYC..
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12-07-2013, 11:10 PM
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Much ado about nothing IMHO.
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12-08-2013, 04:00 AM
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NSSF says this won't affect ammunition manufacturers.
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12-08-2013, 01:29 PM
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Got it. Thank you..
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12-08-2013, 03:52 PM
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It's been discussed here several times already, and on every other gun board and gun related radio and cable program.
It's kind of a big deal , but only if you are in favor of the second amendment .
It's one piece of a much bigger picture that very few are able to see .
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12-08-2013, 08:24 PM
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I don't see how it could be called a good thing.
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12-13-2013, 10:22 AM
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It is just another piece of the puzzle. Unfortunately most cannot or will not see the entire picture until it way too late. At this point it is foolish to trust anything done by the government.
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12-13-2013, 11:51 AM
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The downside to the the closing is the area is in the middle of nowhere where most of the workers are located. It's a long drive just to get groceries. Unemployment will help some, but the end result for these families will be having to start from scratch without having any close schools to retrain them for other employment.
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12-13-2013, 04:12 PM
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The downside to the the closing is the area is in the middle of nowhere where most of the workers are located. It's a long drive just to get groceries. Unemployment will help some, but the end result for these families will be having to start from scratch without having any close schools to retrain them for other employment.
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I don't know where your talking about, but there are 25,000 people living within 10 miles of the smelter.
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12-13-2013, 04:22 PM
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225 lost jobs within population of 25,000 is not that small since the area might not have other industries requiring their type of skills.
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12-13-2013, 06:14 PM
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The next logical step is a lead ammunition ban, which the EPA considered a few years ago. They backed off the mandate, maybe on orders from Obama, who could not afford the political fallout. Of course, a lead ammunition ban could render any private stockpile useless. Well maybe. It's easy to anticipate visits by brown shirts to gun ranges to enforce new regulations, inspect ammunition, issue citations and take names.
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12-13-2013, 06:46 PM
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The next logical step is a lead ammunition ban, which the EPA considered a few years ago. They backed off the mandate, maybe on orders from Obama, who could not afford the political fallout. Of course, a lead ammunition ban could render any private stockpile useless. Well maybe. It's easy to anticipate visits by brown shirts to gun ranges to enforce new regulations, inspect ammunition, issue citations and take names.
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like game wardens and steel shot.
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12-14-2013, 01:16 PM
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Pretty sure the automotive industry among others use plenty of lead. Wheel weights and other applications abound. EPA has never hinted at going after those....
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12-14-2013, 02:04 PM
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Is there any subject today that doesn't have attached to it a conspiracy theory?
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12-14-2013, 03:44 PM
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There was an article about this by Fox News. They talked to a few ammo makers. Most of their lead 90%, comes from recycled batteries. Another 5% from other sources, such as wheel weights, and the rest from new lead. The closing will not affect them.
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01-01-2014, 09:41 PM
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Pretty sure the automotive industry among others use plenty of lead. Wheel weights and other applications abound. EPA has never hinted at going after those....
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No more lead wheel weights, at least not here in NY. Just big ugly steel ones now.
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Pretty sure the automotive industry among others use plenty of lead. Wheel weights and other applications abound. EPA has never hinted at going after those....
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They're switching wheel weighs to iron
the original point and click interface, by Smith and Wesson
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01-02-2014, 11:45 PM
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Howdy
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Originally Posted by trap4570
The downside to the the closing is the area is in the middle of nowhere where most of the workers are located. It's a long drive just to get groceries. Unemployment will help some, but the end result for these families will be having to start from scratch without having any close schools to retrain them for other employment.
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Howdy,
I hate to see it go. I have known many people who worked there over the years. I would like to point out that it is minutes from metro areas of all kinds including St. Louis, Arnold, Festus, Crystal City.
The EPA is acting like the IRS and being wielded like a political ax.
The plant carries the stigma of "Lead". I can't say I'm aware of any more health issues than those of the lime plant in Ste.Gen. or power houses in the area.
Another industry bites the dust.
Thanks
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