MORE INSTANTIY IN CALIFORNIA

[robertrwalsh]

AB1673 passed out of the Assembly Public Safety Committee today (03-15). This bill, if passed in its current form, would declare that ANY identifiable firearm part is in fact a separate and discrete firearm in the state of California and would have to be serialized, registered and tracked as such, with payment of appropriate fees.

This means that a new hammer or trigger for your S&W revolver, or a new set of sights for your semi-auto, would be considered to be a firearm and would require a DROS, background check, fee and waiting period.

The bill passed out of committee on a strict party-line vote. There is almost, but not quite, enough Democrats in both houses of the legislature to pass bills to the governor with zero Republican support.

[mbliss57]

Wow. I am from Ohio a pretty (no very) gun friendly. Stories/realities like this why I am continuously buying lots of parts, sights, triggers etc and guns and ammo. I have been saying to myself for years that NY and California or always visions of our eventual future...sooner or later. I only hope I am wrong. Good luck out west.

[robertrwalsh]

This just happened today. The bill was ORIGINALLY worded to go after "ghost guns", those horrible and dreadful 80% finished AR-15 receivers that are (allegedly) being used to flood California with unserialized and untraceable guns. The bill was reworked (reworded) to include all firearms components. Does this have any real chance of passing as currently written? Probably not. Was it a simple wording error by an a legislator or staffer with zero technical knowledge? Maybe. Maybe not.

[g8rb8]

Kudos to Watchdog for always providing professorial, even-keeled, and objective information on these topics.

On the other hand robertwalsh seems fairly certain of what he posted so I looked for myself. I could find that AB1673 was on the agenda today in California but I could not find definite "official" information the wording had changed.

I am not sure how much to trust either of the below reports but:
FPC (Firearms Policy Coalition) is reporting today:
"These changes now apply the same standards he is applying to unfinished lowers to ALL firearms components."
The San Fernando Valley NRA Members' Council is reporting today the same thing: "As it stands today, any firearm component would require serialization as a fully functional firearm under the proposed law. This includes barrels, retaining pins, springs, guide rods, washers, and fasteners."
The San Fernando Valley NRA Members' Council – Your NRA MC in the Valley

[mojave30cal]

Man, if this passes, it will be time to move to a free state.

[Road Rat]

Originally Posted by mojave30cal

Man, if this passes, it will be time to move to a free state.

I did that ten years ago come June.....................

[robertrwalsh]

By the way, I got the info from the Firearms Policy Coalition website. They are not exactly unbiased but I have not found them to be handing out deliberately bogus information.

By the way there is an additional proposal of interest. AB2459, would get rid of all firearms dealers that operate out of private residences. It would also require that the dealers that are left to have recording video systems that would cover all areas of their stores where guns and ammunition are stored, displayed, physically handled, sold or transferred. This would also require the video taping of all gun sales, a local proposal which was passed in San Francisco and which drove the last gun store in SF out of business. This would cost thousands and thousands of dollars for any gun stores remaining. You can imagine what this would do to the firearms and ammunition retail business, which is exactly what the author has in mind.

[mistermills357]

Further proving that the California Legislature is a pack of fools.

[DevilDog72]

This is the most insane thing I have e v e r heard of....aaarrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhhh!!!!!
... this is one .... uhhh ... messed up bag of horse......apples.

[Retired Chief]

While I realize that politicians normally don't care about any laws that they, personally, did not pass, it seems that the proposal from California would violate the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution as an unreasonable interference with interstate commerce. They could, however, probably pass a bill that would require firearm manufacturers in California to serial # all these parts. Lets see . . . just how many firearm manufacturers have factories in California?

[Toblerra]

I live in Cali and although I do not doubt that these assaults on my second ammendment rights will stop any time soon here, I doubt that most of the crazy bills like this one will become law any time soon. Why? Because they are not enforceable. Also, they will be struck down by the Supreme Court if they infringe upon the right to own a firearm too much. Yes they can restrict a lot maybe more than they already have but ultimately there is a line that cannot be crossed thanks to the second ammendment.

[finesse_r]

What is needed is a federal law that makes conceal carry legal in all states and in Washington D. C. and that requires every state to respect the concealed carry license issued by all other states. The law should require every state to issue a license to any one that meets a minimum level of course work and proficiency demonstration. In addition the law would make clear that no state has the right to make semi-automatic weapons illegal. That any state found in violation of thes laws would loose all federal funding.

If we had a real conservative congress this is the type of legislation that would be going through to become law and put a stop to the California, Chicago, and NYC gun phobia that is denying US citizens their rights.

[HOUSTON RICK]

What took them so long? How much is the waiting period there for a box of snap-caps? If you want to own your guns in peace, you will eventually need to leave the People's Republic.

[Kevin J.]

If this passes there will be no gun manufacturers sending guns into California. SW nor any other gun manufacturer will retool to stamp numbers on all the parts and set up admin needed to support such a data base of serial numbers. Wonder what the cops will carry? I would assume their weapons would require the same as any gun in the state.

[darmtn1917]

"Wonder what the cops will carry? I would assume their weapons would require the same as any gun in the state. "
Nope - LEO almost always get exceptions from the gun laws in CA.

[DWalt]

Does anyone remember the plans being floated over 10 years ago about essentially serializing every round of ammunition and every bullet? Also putting tracer tags in smokeless powder? I wouldn't be surprised in the least to see that scheme pop up again, as it is much simpler to enforce than banning guns. The impossibility of doing that kind of serialization would not even be considered, and it would force all ammunition and bullet manufacturers out of business overnight. And that's what it's all about.

" ...and there is a line that cannot be crossed thanks to the second amendment."
Have you ever heard of the Supreme Court of the United States? And who could be sitting on it in the not too distant future? Sometimes those guys can be pretty good at crossing lines.