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Missouri is one vote away from Constitutional Carry . . .
The bill, HB 1250, passed the Senate with a veto proof majority and is now headed back to the House for a vote on some minor changes. This must be decided today, as the Missouri Legislative session ends at midnight.
House Bill 1250
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Bill now heads to Governor Nixon's desk. The majorities appear to be veto proof. The bill also expands Missouri's Castle Doctrine and creates a Stand Your Ground right to self defense.
Edit: Removed link to story. Link was broken.
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Good news. I was not aware that Iowa is a "constitutional carry" state as the article above implies.
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Missouri Constitutional Carry
Looks like Missouri has a strong chance at joining the growing list of states restoring Constitutional Carry to it's citizens:
MO: Permitless or "Constitutional" carry passes Legislature, on to Governor Nixon
The legislature appears to have a veto-proof majority. If the Governor stays true to last years form, he'll drag it out as long as possible, so it could be many months yet. He can drag his heels for 45 days, if he chooses.
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I'll believe it when it happens. I kind of figured it would happen after I went through the process.
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Great!! It is spreading to more states every year!!!
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Good news. I was not aware that Iowa is a "constitutional carry" state as the article above implies.
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I am not sure where you saw "Iowa." Iowa is NOT a permitless carry state.
Adding Missouri will bring the total to TEN states that allow (or will soon allow) concealed carry without a permit: Alaska, Arizona, Idaho (effective July 1, 2016; residents only), Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, Vermont, West Virginia (effective June 5, 2016)[5] and Wyoming.
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Congrats to Missouri... now if the rest will follow suit.
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Good news. I was not aware that Iowa is a "constitutional carry" state as the article above implies.
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Better read the article again...apparently they edited the article since you read it to show Idaho instead of Iowa as now having constitutional carry.
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Better read the article again...apparently they edited the article since you read it to show Idaho instead of Iowa as now having constitutional carry.
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Now that makes sense. I knew Iowa was not one.
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A little bit of knowledge or no at all is dangerous.
There's no one more pro gun than me and but Constitutional Carry and Open Carry are not on my supported list.
Training is essential part of firearms use and ownership.
Prove your proficiency and knowledge of the law first.
With carrying a gun comes great responsibility to yourself and those around you.It's very different than having a weapon on your nightstand.
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Looks like Missouri has a strong chance at joining the growing list of states restoring Constitutional Carry to it's citizens:
MO: Permitless or "Constitutional" carry passes Legislature, on to Governor Nixon
The legislature appears to have a veto-proof majority. If the Governor stays true to last years form, he'll drag it out as long as possible, so it could be many months yet. He can drag his heels for 45 days, if he chooses.
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My bet is he just won't sign it, thereby allowing it to become law after the 45 days goes by . . .
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A little bit of knowledge or no at all is dangerous.
There's no one more pro gun than me and but Constitutional Carry and Open Carry are not on my supported list.
Training is essential part of firearms use and ownership.
Prove your proficiency and knowledge of the law first.
With carrying a gun comes great responsibility to yourself and those around you.It's very different than having a weapon on your nightstand.
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Do you require the same proficiency and knowledge of voters before they vote? Arguably a much more dangerous right . . .
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My bet is he just won't sign it, thereby allowing it to become law after the 45 days goes by . . .
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I'll go further out on the limb and bet he vetoes it on the 44th or 45th day, like he did last year.
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A little bit of knowledge or no at all is dangerous.
There's no one more pro gun than me and but Constitutional Carry and Open Carry are not on my supported list.
Training is essential part of firearms use and ownership.
Prove your proficiency and knowledge of the law first.
With carrying a gun comes great responsibility to yourself and those around you.It's very different than having a weapon on your nightstand.
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That's not what the amendment says. Criminals carry regardless of laws or requirements anyway.
Besides, it's been shown time and again that people seek out firearms training on their own, required or not.
Restoring full 2nd amendment rights simply puts the average person on even footing with criminals
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I'll go further out on the limb and bet he vetoes it on the 44th or 45th day, like he did last year.
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Well, he's got higher aspirations and he's out after this year. Anything he does on the national stage will only work if he can deliver Missouri and some other like thinking states, and if put to referendum, like the original CCW, this bill would pass. I'm still betting on not signing it.
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Bloomberg's people are putting pressure on old Jay Nixon to fight it... let's wait & see. I'm hard corps NRA... but I've spoken with enough fellow LEO's to understand Stake's misgivings... but from what I've seen in the other constitutional carry/permit less carry states.. very little has gone wrong in them... that hasn't happened already with states requiring permits.
People would do well to seek out training & then remember that they've incurred a terrible burden of responsibility by carrying.
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A little bit of knowledge or no at all is dangerous.
There's no one more pro gun than me and but Constitutional Carry and Open Carry are not on my supported list.
Training is essential part of firearms use and ownership.
Prove your proficiency and knowledge of the law first.
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While I agree that serious training is a really good thing, there is no evidence to support the idea that state required training has any positive effect.
If this becomes law in Missouri, there will be seventeen states in which a person can carry a concealed handgun with NO required training at all. These states do not have any statistical difference in accidents involving firearms or misuse of handguns then states that require significant training.
In my opinion this argument that training must be required for those that carry a handgun is just a straw man used against the wave of permit less carry that has no merit at all.
Ken
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I'll believe it when it happens. I kind of figured it would happen after I went through the process.
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You'll still need the permit to CCW out of state . . .
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You'll still need the permit to CCW out of state . . .
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Exactly......this is what people continue to forget.
I for one, like being able to go on vacation to states that recognize my CCL from my state. This allows me to be able to protect myself and my family. Even though i am not in my home state. Constitutional carry is only good for your state.
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I wish Texas would do this. Sadly, a goodly number of Texas legislators, even Republicans, oppose constitutional carry.
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I wish Texas would do this. Sadly, a goodly number of Texas legislators, even Republicans, oppose constitutional carry.
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Not necessarily. Many more County Sheriffs and Police Chiefs suppout CC in Texas--many of them have a "d" after their names. They can help put more presure on the politicians-like what happened to get OC to pass. What has to be fought--are the IDIOT editors and such (like our local news editors) who just love lying about ""the streets will run red with blood and it'll be just like the wild west with many shootouts" thing. Well, like the CC Caller times posted a few months ago--none of that has happened.
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One legislator has already announced a switch to the opposition when the veto session rolls around, although six legislators who would have supported the measure were absent for the original vote.
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One legislator has already announced a switch to the opposition when the veto session rolls around, although six legislators who would have supported the measure were absent for the original vote.
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Be sure to send some dispatches from the front. Bloomberg, his acolytes and advocates are sure to be pressuring the legislature not to override the veto.
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Be sure to send some dispatches from the front. Bloomberg, his acolytes and advocates are sure to be pressuring the legislature not to override the veto.
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We're on it down here in the bootheel . . .
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The Missouri legislature is preparing to vote to override Governor Nixon's veto of this bill as I type . . .
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The override has just been passed by the Senate, and is now being debated in the House . . .
(Edit: The vote to override was 24 to 6, four votes to the good of the 2/3rd's majority necessary)
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Thanks, Muss. Keep us posted.
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That is all . . .
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Congratulations to the residents of Missouri!
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Way to go Missouri legislature's !!!!! Overriding unlawful veto's.
Great to be living in a state that upholds the will of the people.
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Other parts of this omnibus bill include authorizing a lifetime CCW permit and expansion of "Stand Your Ground" law(s). There is still some conflicting information about when the new laws take effect. The most popular tale at the moment is that everything but Constitutional Carry takes effect in 30 days, while Constitutional Carry begins January 1, 2017. May take a few days to sort this out . . .
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HMMMMMMMM??!!!!
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A little bit of knowledge or no at all is dangerous.
There's no one more pro gun than me and but Constitutional Carry and Open Carry are not on my supported list.
Training is essential part of firearms use and ownership.
Prove your proficiency and knowledge of the law first.
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I reckon the preponderance of clearly untrained and/or staggeringly incompetent and/or irresponsible drivers on the road must drive you nuts, huh? I wonder who kills more people----these drivers, or untrained and/or incompetent and/or irresponsible gun handlers----or maybe it's the various and sundry legislators----past, present, and future?
One of the first things you learn in Problem Solving School (if you're paying attention) is to make sure you're trying to solve the REAL problem---so as to avoid wasting resources messing around treating symptoms.
Is that what they call "food for thought"?
HMMMMMMMM??!!!!
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And lest one surmise I wasn't paying attention in Problem Solving School, the REAL problem isn't the legislators------it's the voters who put them where they are---and have been---most particularly those voters of the "low information" variety. So---if one seeks a problem to solve---------------------------!!!!
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Congratulations, I salute your states stand.
MT has had discussions on this and it may come to pass. I don't think many here see it as an issue though because the only time you need a permit is to carry concealed upon your person while in a city or town. Loaded gun anywhere in car, no permit, out walking in the hill carrying concealed, no permit, open carry anywhere but, government buildings, no permit. I would keep my permit no matter, for out of state travel and here you just hand them your permit and skip the background check as it was done when you got the permit.
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