Hawaii may enter gun owners into a Fed database

[Kevin J.]

Hawaii Could Be First to Put Gun Owners in Federal Database - ABC News

I was lucky enough to go to Hawaii a dozen time for work in the 90's. Absolutely the perfect paradise, but why do the best places on earth also hate guns? I don't get it.

[gunnails]

I was unaware that there is a Federal Database.

[Muss Muggins]

Originally Posted by gunnails

I was unaware that there is a Federal Database.

Various agencies/entities are allowed to flag employees in sensitive positions in the FBI's NCIC criminal record database. The agency/entity is then notified when the employee comes in contact with an officer who runs his/her name through NCIC for a criminal record check. Fairly common. Anybody with a security clearance is on the list, and the article mentions teachers and bus drivers.

[loknload]

Did to many dregs from Kalifornia float there?
Hawaii is a nice place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there! My daughter did for 5 years and worked in their school system. After 5 years she couldn't wait to leave!

[Kevin J.]

Why do she leave, if I may ask? Was it cost of living or island fever. I know may of the people I came to know there always talked about island fever. They had a five year clock, if you lasted five years you most likely to become a "local".

[YogiBear]

Aloha,

In a nutshell, the vast majority of gun owners in Hawaii just don't care.

There are thousands of new gun owners since Obama got elected.

They really don't pay any attention to what the legislators are doing.

They do Not join the NRA or it's Hawaii arm the Hawaii Rifle Assn.

Some I have spoken to do not see anything wrong with the data base.

Most can't see what the harm is with new Anti 2a laws.

They don't think it applies to them.........

The Plantation mentality, no learning history of gun control and similar.

They grumble but do nothing to vote in a change.

If they ALL voted, Hawaii would Not be in such a situation.

I've been in the HRA/NRA since I was able to vote.

I will be 70 this year.

The Wife and I have had it, we are seriously thinking of moving to Texas.

The Wife has family there, doesn't help that my BIL works at a gun shop/range.

The Wife retires next year, hope Texas has room for us.

[CATI1835]

Texas will be happy to have you...

[dougb1946]

Canada had a data base. Spent millions of dollars to set up and run. After a few years, they realized all it was good for was confiscating guns some bureaucrat decided were scary. Could not point to a single crime stopped, so they dropped it-except for the copies some cop shops downloaded illegally and still use.

[Krell1]

Since I worked for the Federal Government for many years, I was subject to numerous background checks in order to get a security clearance. I also couldn't tell you exactly how many times I've been fingerprinted, not only for the job, but for carry permits as well. I'm sure I'm fully entrenched in a Federal database somewhere.

[Muss Muggins]

Originally Posted by Krell1

Since I worked for the Federal Government for many years, I was subject to numerous background checks in order to get a security clearance. I also couldn't tell you exactly how many times I've been fingerprinted, not only for the job, but for carry permits as well. I'm sure I'm fully entrenched in a Federal database somewhere.

Don't forget that your information also resides in China after last year's debacle . . .

[loknload]

Kevin J. ,,,,Why do she leave, if I may ask? Was it cost of living or island fever. I know may of the people I came to know there always talked about island fever. They had a five year clock, if you lasted five years you most likely to become a "local".

It was due to both, COL and Island Fever! Like she said you can only drive around that island so many times and there is nowhere else to go!
She didn't particularly care how the school system was run either, she was in a poor school.

[Practical]

Originally Posted by dougb1946

Canada had a data base. Spent millions of dollars to set up and run. After a few years, they realized all it was good for was confiscating guns some bureaucrat decided were scary. Could not point to a single crime stopped, so they dropped it-except for the copies some cop shops downloaded illegally and still use.

USA would consider database a vital component of homeland security.

Firearms may be considered and existential threat to the state and public safety because they can be used to threaten the citizens and power of the state.

ANYTHING that threatens the power of the state is to be considered a risk in risk analysis. New tech, new social behaviors, groups etc.

It is what China does and what any state will do to protect it's people and it's existence.

I think such a database IS the goal of the democrats and certain government agencies. It is only bad if they decide to use it to eviscerate our rights.

This is why we have to be engaged in government EVERY day.

[italiansport]

I live in Arizona and as far as I'm concerned it has more going for it in beauty then Hawaii or any other "island Paradise". Furthermore we do value our freedom and Constitutional rights here and many of us work on a daily basis to make sure these rights are preserved. I have no idea as to the whys and wherefores of those who live in Hawaii regarding attitudes related to personal freedom but I'm certainly glad I don't live there.
Jim

[Super Dave]

I'm standing in line at HPD (as I write this) after waiting 2 weeks for a permit to get a model 14. It will take 3 trips to HPD until it's mine. But, other than the tight gun laws I love living in Hawaii. Aloha!!!
Dave

[mauser9]

Anything to make it a hassle for legit gun owners. Looking for any reason to make it tough to own so folks will say it ain/t worth it. Arizona sounds good to me too!!

[ladder13]

Originally Posted by YogiBear

Aloha,

In a nutshell, (edit) gun owners in Hawaii just don't care.


The Plantation mentality, no learning history of gun control and similar.

.......

Hawaii? Heck that applies to every single state in the Union.

Applies here too, ever read some of the OC vs CC, or mandatory training/ fees threads?

[S42N8]

Originally Posted by Muss Muggins

Don't forget that your information also resides in China after last year's debacle . . .

Thanks for reminding me of that. Can't say I'm surprised about HI doing that; I was quite happy to go back to the mainland. I am, however, certain that every weapon I was forced to register with HPD will stay in their database forever. Socialists, the lot of them.

[PainterlyShotgroup]

The Federal government is barred from creating a registry of gun owners. I suppose Hawaii could create a state database, but the federal government by law cannot. That being said, I'm sure they are and have been illegally since the advent of the 4473

[Watchdog]

Originally Posted by Kevin J.

Hawaii may enter gun owners into a Fed database

Well, I haven't seen any mention in the news about this since about June 1.

No word whether the bill cleared the legislature, or it's stuck in committee, or what. Haven't seen anything about Governor Ige signing it into law, either. So who knows what the current story on this is?

I'm sure everyone agrees that this is a bad, bad idea. Besides, Hawaii already requires a permit to purchase a handgun, so they have all that information available anyway, to any law enforcement agency who requests access to it.

Truth be known, if you've completed a 4473 in Hawaii, or any other state, you're already in someone's database. Probably more than one. That isn't a conspiracy theory, it's a fact.

I know that no gun owner and/or member of this forum is naive enough to believe that all that 4473 data just sits on some gun shop's shelves for x-number of years with no one ever looking at it. And that thing about 4473 information being confidential is just a myth.

[handejector]

Originally Posted by WATCHDOG

I know that no gun owner and/or member of this forum is naive enough to believe that all that 4473 data just sits on some gun shop's shelves for x-number of years with no one ever looking at it. And that thing about 4473 information being confidential is just a myth.

Correct.
Mine are in a file cabinet.
When my records were last audited, the agents DID look at my 4473s from the previous 12 months. They did not copy them. They did not make notes from them.
They MAY have memorized all of them.
Or maybe the black helicopters read them with x-rays?

Did you know that a dealer can destroy 4473s that are 20 years old?

[dougb1946]

Originally Posted by Practical

USA would consider database a vital component of homeland security.

Firearms may be considered and existential threat to the state and public safety because they can be used to threaten the citizens and power of the state.

ANYTHING that threatens the power of the state is to be considered a risk in risk analysis. New tech, new social behaviors, groups etc.

It is what China does and what any state will do to protect it's people and it's existence.

I think such a database IS the goal of the democrats and certain government agencies. It is only bad if they decide to use it to eviscerate our rights.

This is why we have to be engaged in government EVERY day.

The founders feared an overly powerful and intrusive federal government. The 2A was seen as a way of ensuring the states were able to counterbalance the power of the federal govt. Letting the feds change the rules kind of defeats the whole purpose. It's not like money was speech or corporations were people or that we had a DHS watching all or that we let super pacs sway elections, or even had a Patriots Act.

[dougb1946]

Originally Posted by WATCHDOG

Well, I haven't seen any mention in the news about this since about June 1.

No word whether the bill cleared the legislature, or it's stuck in committee, or what. Haven't seen anything about Governor Ige signing it into law, either. So who knows what the current story on this is?

I'm sure everyone agrees that this is a bad, bad idea. Besides, Hawaii already requires a permit to purchase a handgun, so they have all that information available anyway, to any law enforcement agency who requests access to it.

Truth be known, if you've completed a 4473 in Hawaii, or any other state, you're already in someone's database. Probably more than one. That isn't a conspiracy theory, it's a fact.

I know that no gun owner and/or member of this forum is naive enough to believe that all that 4473 data just sits on some gun shop's shelves for x-number of years with no one ever looking at it. And that thing about 4473 information being confidential is just a myth.

Your phone provider and your credit card issuers have complete files of your activities and travels, and the DHS does have access. Stores want to tie this info in with facial recognition software and tailor advertising to you when you walk into a store. That is scary.

[Lewieke]

Where I live in Europe, virtually any official is against weapons in the hands of civilians. Legal gun owners get checked regularly, there's a lot of legislation to respect, lots of rules, ... . The criminals don't ask anything, they just buy Balcan stuff or weapons from Turkey. Every time sth happens with illegal guns, the legal owner takes the beating.

[Watchdog]

Originally Posted by Kevin J.

Hawaii may enter gun owners into a Fed database

Apparently, this has now been signed into law in Hawaii.

[YogiBear]

Aloha,

Yes, the Governor has signed the bill and it is law.

The local State Hawaii Rifle Assn. may challenge it.

Nothing has been said yet about challenging it.

We can't wait to leave Hawaii.