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I think it's more due to the 1998 Gun Laws.
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Correct. That's when the cost of an FID card went from $2.00 (for life) to $100.00 every 4 years (later extended to 6 years... not for us but to cut down on the workload for police departments). It also added the requirement for training (and its associated cost)... and so the number of license holders plunged with people simply unwilling to pay those kind of fees and put up with the new application hassles unless they were real serious gun people.  It also started limiting what we could buy.  Yes, it was a pretty terrible blow to us. 
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10-13-2016, 02:22 PM
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Great posts by Gary and TTSH. How truthful! Guess we"ll have to wait and see what the final outcome will be concerning the July 20 ruling.
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10-13-2016, 03:25 PM
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For those who might be in the area, there is going to be a hearing at Suffolk Superior Court on Monday. The topic is not the AWB, but the current suit by Healey in which she is seeking Glock sales records for the past 40 years.
Apparently it's a motions hearing, but a show of support for Glock would be nice.
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10-16-2016, 08:55 AM
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I think it's more due to the 1998 Gun Laws. Many of us (I include myself) were completely asleep at the switch as that was shoved through the legislature and signed by a Republican Governor.
A friend of mine who was a FFL warned me about it, but I thought that he was exaggerating. After that law passed the number of FFLs and LTC holders dropped dramatically. Which, of course was the whole idea.
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And where was I in 1998?  In an incredibly horrible and desperate financial situation that I would never wish on anyone, that's where. The details are too painful to retell... but just know that my mind was on two things: holding onto my ****** job and paying my obligations. The last thing on my mind was how the Massachusetts legislature and Governor Paul Cellucci was about to totally screw us over.
A good article on just how bad the 1998 law was for us: The nation’s toughest gun-control law made Massachusetts less safe - The Boston Globe
Another good article: The Dark Side of the Gun Control Act of 1998
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10-16-2016, 09:12 AM
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After having read this entire thread, I must confess I was ignorant of just how bad the situation is there. I have been in touch with my friends at Nutmeg and they are OUT of the Ivory stock/grip business. Please, tell me how this killing of family businesses is a step in the right direction. I have been through the shocked, disgusted, and finally saddened stages. The one thing that I hope will come out of this is the folks in my home state will learn from your experience. LLB
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10-16-2016, 09:53 AM
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Great posts by Gary and TTSH. How truthful! Guess we"ll have to wait and see what the final outcome will be concerning the July 20 ruling.
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Yep. The whole thing is up to the courts now. We know that what the AG lady did was wrong on so many levels... but the legislature wasn't willing to do anything (leadership actually supports her moves) and our pitifully weak and pliable governor is utterly useless if not outright supportive. So it's the courts that are our last hope now. A decision is probably many years away. 
What's most interesting to me is how folks (including most dealers) have been able to cope since the illegal decree. Some dealers went out of business (by choice or otherwise) but most have hung in there relying on sales of handguns (which were mostly unaffected) and those long guns not banned by the AG's decree. Overall business is down for sure, but it is a tribute to the surviving MA dealers that they are finding ways to survive and guns for customers to buy in place of the newly banned weapons.
More importantly perhaps, it's been 3 months now and not a single arrest or indictment or civil case has come up related to the AG lady's decree. We "felons-in-waiting" are still waiting. No "test case" is pending or may ever be pending. It's clear that the police, for the most part, are not even taking it seriously. Most see if for the political stunt that it was. It is not actual law after all.
The fact is that the decree affected dealers a lot (restricting what they can sell) but it has had little practical effect on owners of the banned weapons unless they were looking to sell or looking to buy even more... and the supply of substitute weapons for buyers, including true pre-ban ARs & AKs, is now pretty darn good after an initial shortage. Some of the allowed substitutes cost a lot more money than current production ARs & AKs... some cost less. There is still something for everyone if you didn't absolutely have your heart set on a current production AR or AK.
In short, we are coping. The dealers are coping. The AG lady made her points with the local and national level gun-grabbers. That's where we stand as of today.
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10-18-2016, 12:17 PM
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Went to my local gun shop and low and behold...AR15's and AK47's in all their glory...also 20 and 30 round magazines...  ....end around play by the dealers , bypassing Healy's power grab . Pre-ban guns ( pre-1994 ) are NOT illegal in the state that started the revolution...
Still moving to FL so I don't care anymore... 
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10-18-2016, 10:04 PM
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The problem in Mass is more about the middle class following the jobs out of the state. That is where most of the law abiding gun owners came from. When the demographic changed, so did the politics. I bet the same thing is true for California. Gun control is just one issue in a state that is sliding towards socialism. I don't know if it will ever come back in our life times. I fear that it will not.
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10-19-2016, 08:16 AM
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Went to my local gun shop and low and behold...AR15's and AK47's in all their glory...also 20 and 30 round magazines... ....end around play by the dealers , bypassing Healy's power grab . Pre-ban guns ( pre-1994 ) are NOT illegal in the state that started the revolution...
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I'm sure you know that this particular dealer recently made a huge $$$ commitment to a new facility that includes an indoor gun range. Range membership cost is way outside of my very limited (retired old fool's) budget but I wish them luck anyway. 
And after the dust cleared re: Maura's madness, I'm sure this dealer, like all MA gun dealers, had to come up with a strategy for economic survival. It's pretty clear now that they decided to go big with the "pre-ban" route (i.e., pre-9/13/94 based on actual MA law, not Maura's madness).
Some dealers are better at obtaining true "pre-ban" rifles and carbines to offer us than others. Looks like this dealer has had a lot of success in this regard so far, and that is good. But the prices have to be silly high for it to continue. Are people really going to pay these silly high prices just to please Ms. Maura? I think that remains to be seen.
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10-20-2016, 03:10 PM
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They're very upfront about prices and expenses . I know of 3 local gun shops that are no more , so I'm sure this drives up the prices for the remaining few . Membership is over $300/year but outside of a couple of sportsman's clubs , there are no shooting facilities within 25 miles . Granted the prices on these pre-bans are mid 2K and up , but expensive is better than outlawed all together . 
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10-20-2016, 05:28 PM
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They're very upfront about prices and expenses . I know of 3 local gun shops that are no more , so I'm sure this drives up the prices for the remaining few . Membership is over $300/year but outside of a couple of sportsman's clubs , there are no shooting facilities within 25 miles . Granted the prices on these pre-bans are mid 2K and up , but expensive is better than outlawed all together . |
Oh, I have no problem with that dealer trying to get every dollar he possibly can out of those pre-bans. Some of them are as much as $5,000 if memory serves me right. But I'm sure he had to pay some big money to get them. True (Pre-'94) pre-bans don't grow on trees any longer.  I'm not personally a big fan of that dealer but it has little to do with his pre-ban prices and I *do* hope they survive Maura's madness.
On that latter front, I've been told that more madness is in the works and it's worse than what we've endured to date. I sincerely hope the rumors are wrong, but nothing would surprise me at this point. Maura feels she has been backed into a corner by us and she is fighting mad about it. Ironic, isn't it?
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10-25-2016, 07:45 PM
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Like the rest of the liberals here , she believes she alone KNOWS what is best for one and all . Maybe it's the air in Boston but those people are without common sense or the ability to reason . I for one , am very disappointed and disillusioned with the direction ( if any ) this state is headed in...
Can't wait to get to FL...
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10-31-2016, 10:04 AM
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Very sad. I read the op-ed piece written by the MA AG and was really sick to my stomach that someone who lives in the cradle of our freedom should so misunderstand the constitution and the intent of the framers when she said the the AR has no place in the hands of the public.
Boston was a hot bed of revolutionaries. Those that heeded the call and came from miles around to join in against the British brought with them the "assault rifles" of the day. Many of them better than anything the continental army would issue during the war. The shot heard round the world was the result of a raiding party sent after personal storage of powder and arms! It will come to this again.
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10-31-2016, 07:37 PM
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The shot heard round the world was the result of a raiding party sent after personal storage of powder and arms! It will come to this again.
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For those of you in Mass still willing to put up the good fight, there is a GOAL rally at the State House this Wednesday at 11am. It's a multi reason rally. Tell the AG we are not going away, denounce the nomination of Barry-Smith at the Governor’s Council Hearing and to support Glock, who will also be attending a meeting to discuss the AG's lawsuit. If you go, see you there.
Join Us In Protest - November 2nd - MA State House
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11-01-2016, 08:10 AM
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Why do the people in Mass.keep voting for these idiots??Ya'll know who they are & what they believe & you still put them in power.The "weak"gov.was "voted"in,you then vot
e in a weak legislature,then you act surprised when the AG gets away with this ****!!Guess what....she is going to get worse.After they are voted in it's too late to complain!!Get rid of all of them in the next election!!
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11-01-2016, 08:46 AM
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Why do the people in Mass.keep voting for these idiots??Ya'll know who they are & what they believe & you still put them in power.The "weak"gov.was "voted"in,you then vot
e in a weak legislature,then you act surprised when the AG gets away with this ****!!Guess what....she is going to get worse.After they are voted in it's too late to complain!!Get rid of all of them in the next election!!
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I spent most of my life in Massachusetts, largely because of jobs and, later, aging parents, and got out as soon as I could. The answer to your question is that this sort of thing is what the majority of the people in Massachusetts want. The government in Mass is not weak, quite the opposite - it controls most aspects of everyday life. That's what the majority wants. They don't believe the AG is "getting away" with anything - she's doing exactly what they want. None of that is going to change. From a gun owner's perspective, Massachusetts is a lost cause. There are times when it makes sense to stay and fight, and there are times to cut and run - for gun owners, and people who believe in personal freedom and responsibility generally, it was time to leave many years ago.
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11-01-2016, 08:47 AM
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Why do the people in Mass. keep voting for these idiots?? Ya'll know who they are & what they believe & you still put them in power. The "weak" gov. was "voted"in, you then vote in a weak legislature, then you act surprised when the AG gets away with this ****!! Guess what... she is going to get worse. After they are voted in it's too late to complain!! Get rid of all of them in the next election!!
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I'd answer and explain how elections work, but I don't want to get banned. Suffice to say that we live in a terrible one-party controlled state and the only real option we have to avoid this madness is to escape to another state.
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11-01-2016, 08:49 AM
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I spent most of my life in Massachusetts, largely because of jobs and, later, aging parents, and got out as soon as I could. The answer to your question is that this sort of thing is what the majority of the people in Massachusetts want. The government in Mass is not weak, quite the opposite - it controls most aspects of everyday life. That's what the majority wants. They don't believe the AG is "getting away" with anything - she's doing exactly what they want. None of that is going to change. From a gun owner's perspective, Massachusetts is a lost cause. There are times when it makes sense to stay and fight, and there are times to cut and run - for gun owners, and people who believe in personal freedom and responsibility generally, it was time to leave many years ago.
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Sad but true.
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11-01-2016, 09:52 AM
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Why do the people in Mass.keep voting for these idiots??Ya'll know who they are & what they believe & you still put them in power.The "weak"gov.was "voted"in,you then vot
e in a weak legislature,then you act surprised when the AG gets away with this ****!!Guess what....she is going to get worse.After they are voted in it's too late to complain!!Get rid of all of them in the next election!!
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Because the number of gun owners in MA is totally inconsequential in the elections.
Add the many FUDDs that we have in MA that could care less about "those guns" as long as they have their doubles shotguns (hunters/skeet/trap only people) or hunting rifles. Even though they are "gun owners" (Google "John Rosenthal") they are our worst enemies.
Then we have the voter fraud issues, all the illegals, some paid to vote for x, etc.
It's not the kind of gun owners you see here on this forum that vote these jerks into office! But we are in such a minority that candidates here get elected on a anti-2A platform frequently.
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Enough here. If constructive information arises, start a new thread.
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